Harry to give an interview to discuss Charles's illness

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I just read an article in the DM about this. I really honestly couldn't believe he would do this. I just hope it isn't true. Just how could he. Privacy????.

As you say

Racism is by definition something that is often difficult to prove as it is an attitude held inside some else’s head.

So in that case it can be Harry and Meghan's head using that as an excuse for criticism when it is actually their own behaviour.

I’ve never once tagged you which I believe is putting @ in front of your name. I was merely replying to your post.

No. I cannot say how I believe she will act when her father dies as I will be modded.

I can say, though, that I believe any outward display of grief will be performative.

Ok thanks so much for clarifying that vital point. If only you applied that attention to detail to the lies about the security and title decisions being racially motivated.

“One tear, left eye - go!”

@Clawedfoot73And I do believe they were treated shoddily and that she encountered prejudice and racism. The titles thing was linked to security as well as racism I think with the level of rank dictating the level of security?
I do believe that the racist Misogynistic homophobic media were awful to Meghan. That is not to be conflated with the RF.

How were the titles linked to security & racism? Rank is primarily determined by birth order and the line of succession. Andrew and Edward took precedence over Anne, not because she didn’t have a Dukedom but because of primogeniture. As a working Royal Anne gets security.

What Harry hadn’t realised, or chose not to hear, was that his security was changing because he was no longer 3rd in line to the throne but 6th and baring a tragedy would never be more than 4th. Like Anne & Edward who had been 2nd and 3rd they had moved down the order of succession and had their level of security determined by RAVEC.

At the time of the initial discussions H & M were expected to be working Royals and have the appropriate level of security. By Oprah they were not working Royals and aggrieved at not getting the security they wanted.

As I said conflation of discussions to make it appear it was all racially driven.

Can I just say thank you to PropertyLover and Serenster who replied in a measured way and answered some of the questions surrounding racism, titles and security. I’ve never watched the Oprah interview so am happy to stand corrected on it.

I don’t make any apologies for straying off the main subject of a thread which stands at nearly 900 posts though.

I still believe that Meghan did encounter racism. And was far from wrong to raise the issue. Us white folk need to have more awareness about racism being very hard to pinpoint and prove.

I do believe that someone discussed Archie’s skin colour. If there was a deafening silence from them when the names were published; that’s because H has always been careful not to damage the main players who are in a protected bubble anyway. The silence in other words doesn’t necessarily mean it was untrue.

However much William protests and says “we are not a racist family” which I am willing to believe is true for him (in as much as any white person can claim that) there have been many incidents over the years which add up to offer a fairly good case for it.

Prince Philip telling the President of Nigeria that he looked like he was dressed for bed when he was wearing national costume, for example, that happened in the past twenty years I think! The slitty eyed comment, the Blackamoor broach, the history of only white people being employed in BP until the sixties, and that’s before we get to the issue of wealth and slavery

How would anyone feel if they were mixed race and marrying someone with that heritage? Of course you would be sensitive to the issue.

To take Prince Philip’s remark as an example. He was a product of his age and upbringing and he obviously interpreted his remark as a friendly ice breaker and well intentioned. And at the same time it was a very deeply offensive remark. That’s a classic example of unconscious bias.

Sadly it’s not unusual for anyone to have racist grandparents and hopefully things have improved - and what is relevant is the situation NOW - have BP lead an investigation in to potential racism within the institution? Would we know about the outcomes if they had?

Thanks Propertylover that’s interesting and informative. I accept she was wrong to conflate the security issue with racism but I can understand why she did ifyswim. It’s an example of two extremely opposite worlds clashing.

I had forgotten that!

Person of colour alert here!

Who went on international TV stating his relief that his ginger genes had prevailed in his children’s colouring? Was it Catherine? Was it Charles? No! The answer is Prince Harry, on Stephen Colbert plugging his book.

Who went on international TV, dismissively stated that his son takes after his wife in colouring, then started waxing lyrical about his daughter looking like his mother with her blue, blue, blue eyes? Was it Phillip? Was it William? No! It was Prince Harry in his Netflix documentary.

Who called a fellow cadet at Sandhurst a P* and filmed himself doing it? That’s right, Harry.

Who reassured his friends that his African gf Chelsy wasn’t black? That’s right, Harry.

And you know what? I am a person of colour, and as such, all you white people who have swallowed critical race theory have to believe everything I say! Good isn’t it?

Sorry but I think the comment in relation to Meghan’s father dying;

I can say, though, that I believe any outward display of grief will be performative

I think that IS plain nasty. Like anyone who has a complicated relationship with their parents, I imagine she will experience a mix of feelings when it happens. To imply she won’t experience any genuine grief is horrible and unintelligent.

This!

All of this every word.

I'm not sure why posters assume everyone on here is white???
And I am white but find the "us white folks" comment rather patronising frankly!

‘horrible and unintelligent’

that can also be applied to you calling people
meghan-haters, perpetuating hideous lies that the security and title decisions were racially motivated, character assassinating Megan’s dad yourself, and justifying why she should cut him off, and then pretending to act shocked when another poster followed that through to its logical conclusion

One could say racist, Jeff. Or maybe unconscious bias.

I totally agree! So condescending and self righteous.

I’m not white, so according to that posters own logic, they should be taking my views on the matter more seriously 😉

Hear hear. It's a very unpleasant thing to say
Families are complicated

I always take your view and that of milk very seriously!!

Harry has addressed all of those incidents directly and many times over.

He called his attitudes before he met MM bigoted and how he had to walk in MM’s shoes for a while to see how badly racist the reporting was in the press and of course incidents like the dj publishing a picture of a clothed baby chimpanzee and all of that hideousness.

He has also said on tv in relation to the Nazi uniform horror:

”It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life. I felt so ashamed afterwards. All I wanted to do was make it right.
"I sat down and spoke to the Chief Rabbi in London, which had a profound impact on me. I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor.

"I could have just ignored it and got on and probably made the same mistakes over and over again in my life. But I learnt from that."

The point is; is the institution of the monarchy learning?

I haven’t watched the Colbert interview but any reference to ginger hair I’ve heard Harry make previously have been joking about himself in a disparaging way. And why shouldn’t he delight in his daughter having eyes which remind him of his mother? Wouldn’t anyone bereaved son be pleased about that whether they were white or black?

Are you quite alright Sheriff?

That’s fine if you find it patronising! You are entitled to your view.

I have my own views about why these discussions often turn in to a list of personal comments instead of addressing the matters in hand.

says the poster that made personal comments

‘‘horrible and unintelligent’

🤭

He has never once addressed or apologised for the p#ki and r#ghead insults he so casually dished out whilst filming himself.