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Harry to give an interview to discuss Charles's illness

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Viviennemary · 16/02/2024 08:25

I just read an article in the DM about this. I really honestly couldn't believe he would do this. I just hope it isn't true. Just how could he. Privacy????.

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Clawedfoot73 · 26/02/2024 19:19

SheriffofRottingham · 26/02/2024 19:09

Sending emails at 5, yes that does tie in with the bullying accusations and reports of a toxic work environment

If you want to believe that, that’s your prerogative, but it is said that BP offices either leak or silently give their blessing, to snippets of news that cast people in a bad light.

SheriffofRottingham · 26/02/2024 19:22

Bullying staff doesn’t need to be spun by the palace 😂

you’ve also just made up a load of nonsense in your previous post then admitted it as much, I’m starting to thing you aren’t posting in good faith 😆

Roussette · 26/02/2024 19:24

SheriffofRottingham · 26/02/2024 19:09

Sending emails at 5, yes that does tie in with the bullying accusations and reports of a toxic work environment

What on earth is wrong with that? No one has to open them at 5am
I'm an insomniac so I used to make notes and do stuff when I couldn't sleep

Roussette · 26/02/2024 19:24

Clawedfoot73 · 26/02/2024 19:19

If you want to believe that, that’s your prerogative, but it is said that BP offices either leak or silently give their blessing, to snippets of news that cast people in a bad light.

^^ Totally this

Clawedfoot73 · 26/02/2024 19:26

Maireas · 26/02/2024 19:17

No. You put the "British press" together.
It's a bit more complicated and nuanced than a conspiracy of right wing journalists!
I read lots of different publications. They do vary.

If you read my post I said,

It hasn’t worked, largely because they underestimated the global influence of the British establishment and the UK right* wing press combined*

So I guess it depends on your individual interpretation whether you think the Guardian or the Independent fall in the category of the right wing press.

Some of my more militant left wing friends definitely would!

SheriffofRottingham · 26/02/2024 19:30

Roussette · 26/02/2024 19:24

What on earth is wrong with that? No one has to open them at 5am
I'm an insomniac so I used to make notes and do stuff when I couldn't sleep

What’s wrong with it? Maybe the right to disconnect - rest of Europe is so far ahead in terms of employment rights, I guess they assume most employers would be sensible and fair enough in regard to this in the UK, without having to enshrine it in law. Clearly not! Hopefully it gets addressed soon! 😂

Yes make it about yourself when all else fails 🥱

Maireas · 26/02/2024 19:33

Clawedfoot73 · 26/02/2024 19:26

If you read my post I said,

It hasn’t worked, largely because they underestimated the global influence of the British establishment and the UK right* wing press combined*

So I guess it depends on your individual interpretation whether you think the Guardian or the Independent fall in the category of the right wing press.

Some of my more militant left wing friends definitely would!

Ah. Goal post moving. If your friends believe that, fine. Nothing to say about that.
I do think that a belief in a total press conspiracy is a bit tin foil hat territory, but hey. Each to their own.

Clawedfoot73 · 26/02/2024 19:40

Maireas · 26/02/2024 19:33

Ah. Goal post moving. If your friends believe that, fine. Nothing to say about that.
I do think that a belief in a total press conspiracy is a bit tin foil hat territory, but hey. Each to their own.

Not goal post moving. On both occasions I mentioned the British press, I specified the right wing press. You can’t get any clearer than that.

I was merely pointing out that people have different perspectives about what constitutes right wing.

And people having different perspectives is obviously a concept that some posters on here find hard to understand!

Roussette · 26/02/2024 19:41

Sheriff
I'm not making it about me, I'm pointing out that people can work late at night or early morning without it being bullying or needing a law banning it
If it is bullying to send an early hour email, that's a lot of people who bully then. They don't have to be opened.

I don't like posts that are rude and goading so will refrain from answering you again.

SheriffofRottingham · 26/02/2024 19:42

‘And people having different perspectives is obviously a concept that some posters on here find hard to understand’

Yes especially the particular poster(s) that keep making those sweeping generalisations 😆

Maireas · 26/02/2024 19:45

Clawedfoot73 · 26/02/2024 19:40

Not goal post moving. On both occasions I mentioned the British press, I specified the right wing press. You can’t get any clearer than that.

I was merely pointing out that people have different perspectives about what constitutes right wing.

And people having different perspectives is obviously a concept that some posters on here find hard to understand!

They do indeed! Misunderstanding the meaning of words, for example.
Ok, my point is this: I don't believe that there has been a "British press" conspiracy against M&H, because I don't believe in conspiracy theories.
I also have noted that other publications have criticised them. Publications which are usually understood not to be right wing. In a non hysterical way.

SheriffofRottingham · 26/02/2024 19:45

Roussette · 26/02/2024 19:41

Sheriff
I'm not making it about me, I'm pointing out that people can work late at night or early morning without it being bullying or needing a law banning it
If it is bullying to send an early hour email, that's a lot of people who bully then. They don't have to be opened.

I don't like posts that are rude and goading so will refrain from answering you again.

You are very much making it about your own experiences which aren’t at all relevant to what’s being discussed. I don’t believe the Queen commissioned an investigation into Meghan bullying staff because Meghan was an insomniac and was simply compiling notes late at night. If you’re going to pretend not to understand the concept of the right to disconnect and the detrimental effect of being contacted out of hours that’s your prerogative.

Lol - helpful tip - don’t tag me if you don’t want me to engage. It’s odd to quote and tag me to tell me you don’t want to discuss with me 😂 seems rude and makes it look like you’re goading me actually 😉

Serenster · 26/02/2024 19:49

I didn’t watch any of the Invictus Games coverage but surely how it is handled isn’t entirely up to H & M. Presumably it’s largely up to the organisers?

Meghan and Harry bought their own photographers. And given how quickly Meghan’s outfits were covered in the press, its likely her team were communicating details to the press directly, as they had done for the 2023 Invictus Games.

Their visits to and communications with various First Nation representatives were nothing to so with Invictus either.

StormzyinaTCup · 26/02/2024 19:51

And people having different perspectives is obviously a concept that some posters on here find hard to understand!

Having a different perspective doesn't automatically make you right wing, it's a concept that some posters on here find hard to understand.

Serenster · 26/02/2024 19:53

And a basic lack of interest and care from Charles and William about their role and their future at a time when there was a global pandemic

Your timing is out.The pandemic happened after they announced they wanted to earn an independent income and still be part time working royals, and were told that wasn’t possible. No matter how much interest or care there had been from William and Charles up to that point, half in, half out wouldn’t have been possible.

Serenster · 26/02/2024 20:03

If it is bullying to send an early hour email, that's a lot of people who bully then. They don't have to be opened.

The culture, and the bosses’ expectations is very relevant here. You can’t make any judgement about whether it’s reasonable or not without knowing that.

What we know about their office culture, from Harry:

It didn’t help that everyone was working around the clock. There were so many demands from the press, such a constant stream of errors that needed clearing up, and we didn’t have nearly enough people or resources.
At best, we were able to address 10 percent of what was out there. Nerves were shattering, people were sniping. In such a climate there was no such thing as constructive criticism. All feedback was seen as an affront, an insult.
More than once a staff member slumped across their desk and wept.

And from a former employee who spoke to Valentine Low, Times journalist:

When Meghan thought an employee had let her down, Meghan called them when they were out at dinner: ‘Every 10 minutes, I had to go outside and be screamed at by her and Harry. It was “I can’t believe you’ve done this. You’ve let me down. What were you thinking?” It went on for a couple of hours.’ The calls began the next morning and went on ‘for days’.

This is not a healthy culture being described here by either person. Emails at 5am in an unhealthy culture where the employers don’t recognise their employees’ boundaries can easily be seen as unacceptable.

Clawedfoot73 · 26/02/2024 20:10

Maireas · 26/02/2024 19:45

They do indeed! Misunderstanding the meaning of words, for example.
Ok, my point is this: I don't believe that there has been a "British press" conspiracy against M&H, because I don't believe in conspiracy theories.
I also have noted that other publications have criticised them. Publications which are usually understood not to be right wing. In a non hysterical way.

To address your actual point … we will have to agree to disagree … because imho … there has been a definite conspiracy between many right wing newspapers and journalists and broadcasters, and various members of the British establishment… aimed very directly at discrediting H&M. And lots of people have made a good living doing it too.

SheriffofRottingham · 26/02/2024 20:11
Burnie Burns Conspiracy GIF by Rooster Teeth

🙃

Roussette · 26/02/2024 20:13

And lots of people have made a good living doing it too

Absolutely, it's a multi million pound industry...books, articles, appearances talking about them. It won't stop, too many would miss the income stream

Maireas · 26/02/2024 20:14

Clawedfoot73 · 26/02/2024 20:10

To address your actual point … we will have to agree to disagree … because imho … there has been a definite conspiracy between many right wing newspapers and journalists and broadcasters, and various members of the British establishment… aimed very directly at discrediting H&M. And lots of people have made a good living doing it too.

Yes indeed. We'll agree to disagree. No conspiracy imo.

Maireas · 26/02/2024 20:14

SheriffofRottingham · 26/02/2024 20:11

🙃

😂

SheriffofRottingham · 26/02/2024 20:18

Serenster · 26/02/2024 20:03

If it is bullying to send an early hour email, that's a lot of people who bully then. They don't have to be opened.

The culture, and the bosses’ expectations is very relevant here. You can’t make any judgement about whether it’s reasonable or not without knowing that.

What we know about their office culture, from Harry:

It didn’t help that everyone was working around the clock. There were so many demands from the press, such a constant stream of errors that needed clearing up, and we didn’t have nearly enough people or resources.
At best, we were able to address 10 percent of what was out there. Nerves were shattering, people were sniping. In such a climate there was no such thing as constructive criticism. All feedback was seen as an affront, an insult.
More than once a staff member slumped across their desk and wept.

And from a former employee who spoke to Valentine Low, Times journalist:

When Meghan thought an employee had let her down, Meghan called them when they were out at dinner: ‘Every 10 minutes, I had to go outside and be screamed at by her and Harry. It was “I can’t believe you’ve done this. You’ve let me down. What were you thinking?” It went on for a couple of hours.’ The calls began the next morning and went on ‘for days’.

This is not a healthy culture being described here by either person. Emails at 5am in an unhealthy culture where the employers don’t recognise their employees’ boundaries can easily be seen as unacceptable.

Respect your posts a lot and applaud your forensic approach to detail 👏

willWillSmithsmith · 26/02/2024 20:19

Roussette · 26/02/2024 19:24

What on earth is wrong with that? No one has to open them at 5am
I'm an insomniac so I used to make notes and do stuff when I couldn't sleep

But did you send those notes to people at 5am? Perhaps she had an expectation that her emails would be read and dealt with at the time of sending and her staff were aware of that (I have no idea).

Clawedfoot73 · 26/02/2024 20:19

StormzyinaTCup · 26/02/2024 19:51

And people having different perspectives is obviously a concept that some posters on here find hard to understand!

Having a different perspective doesn't automatically make you right wing, it's a concept that some posters on here find hard to understand.

Tell me please where I did say having a different perspective makes you right wing?

Clawedfoot73 · 26/02/2024 20:29

Serenster · 26/02/2024 20:03

If it is bullying to send an early hour email, that's a lot of people who bully then. They don't have to be opened.

The culture, and the bosses’ expectations is very relevant here. You can’t make any judgement about whether it’s reasonable or not without knowing that.

What we know about their office culture, from Harry:

It didn’t help that everyone was working around the clock. There were so many demands from the press, such a constant stream of errors that needed clearing up, and we didn’t have nearly enough people or resources.
At best, we were able to address 10 percent of what was out there. Nerves were shattering, people were sniping. In such a climate there was no such thing as constructive criticism. All feedback was seen as an affront, an insult.
More than once a staff member slumped across their desk and wept.

And from a former employee who spoke to Valentine Low, Times journalist:

When Meghan thought an employee had let her down, Meghan called them when they were out at dinner: ‘Every 10 minutes, I had to go outside and be screamed at by her and Harry. It was “I can’t believe you’ve done this. You’ve let me down. What were you thinking?” It went on for a couple of hours.’ The calls began the next morning and went on ‘for days’.

This is not a healthy culture being described here by either person. Emails at 5am in an unhealthy culture where the employers don’t recognise their employees’ boundaries can easily be seen as unacceptable.

Ah yes, Valentine Low who wasn’t hoping to make any money at all from his book,

Courtiers: The Hidden Power Behind the Crown“published on 6 October 2022 by Headline, many extracts of which were published in The Times in September 2022.

We can very much trust his perspective. 🙄

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