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quantumbutterfly · 13/01/2024 11:44

backinthebox · 11/01/2024 12:38

In nearly 30 years as a pilot, I have never heard of these awards. A quick look at past recipients reveals a very small handful of worthy recipients of such a title as ‘living legend of aviation.’ The rest of them seem to be a bunch of Hollywood actors and billionaires indulging their hobby by throwing their considerable wealth at it.

Having had the privilege of working and flying with pilots who have utterly amazing stories to tell, I will stick my neck out and say having enough money to buy lots of aircraft and fly them around a lot is not really enough of an achievement to qualify as a ‘living legend.’ Neither is being a member of the Royal Family doing a job many others do in the Armed Forces. I don’t know of any single or sustained feat of outstanding skill, bravery or devotion to the role that Prince Harry has carried out that sets him apart from other aviators.

if you ever got me in the pub, I would tell you of the real legends out there, I could talk for days about them. The colleague who saved an entire airline full of people (and all of those below) when both engines cut out at 800ft over London and still he landed it safely. The colleague who studied in her own time to become a test pilot, who was an instructor on airliners at 23 and was awarded a GAPAN Grand Masters Medal for outstanding performance before the age of 30, who is still pushing boundaries in aviation now and still has at least 15 years of career ahead of her. The colleague whose mother in law holds multiple world records for outstanding feats of aviation endurance and exploration including circumnavigating the globe in a single engined aircraft. The colleagues who evacuated a burning aircraft and got everyone off with no injuries when an engine burst into flames on the take off roll. The instructor I had who flew aid flights to Africa, clearing zebras off the runway before he could land in the remote African bush with much needed medication. The instructor I had who won a famous air race in brilliant manner in the 1960s, leading to the entry to service of one of the most famous fighter aircraft of all time and who went on to be one of the most iconic flying instructors I know of. The colleague who was sent out on a passenger flight he did not return from, becoming instead a human shield in a dirty war. The club mate I had who taught himself to get into an aerobatic aircraft after he was paralysed and went on to win national aerobatic competitions and raised millions for disabled pilots. The colleague who wrestled a hijacker to the floor in the cockpit, saving everyone on board a B747 - and his copilots who actually did the flying even though they had the weight of a hijacker on their shoulders throughout the ordeal.

These are just a small number of the stories I could tell you. Former military helicopter pilots are numerous where I work, none of them have awards for simply doing their job. This is a back-slapping club for rich people, with a few probably slightly bewildered actual legends among them, their presence required to make the rest of them feel as though they are someone different to everyone else.

I'd stand you a few drinks for that chat. What's your poison?

mrsmingleton · 13/01/2024 11:50

BrittleVeneers · 13/01/2024 11:16

My opinion is thst Life’s too short to ‘investigate’ some award on the other side of the world, that no one on this side of the world has ever heard of until now: I can’t see the point.

Yet here you are.

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 13/01/2024 11:58

BrittleVeneers · 13/01/2024 00:30

Harry Aerial Show

Harry can fly an Apache helicopter. Quite well:

Lots of pilots can fly an Apache helicopter quite well. In fact I'd assume flying it 'quite well' is pretty much a requirement for being an Apache pilot.

quantumbutterfly · 13/01/2024 11:58

StrawberriesSW1 · 12/01/2024 13:58

nationalpost.com/news/prince-harry-gives-up-spitfire-seat-at-battle-of-britain-commemoration-for-95-year-old-royal-air-force-vet kind soul, loving husband and dutiful father Prince Harry is.
Unlike the one having an affair with his wife's friend in the local village, or the one who used a teenager to produce him heirs, put her in danger then went on to marry the one with whom he'd planned it all along.
Even though he wasn't even supposed to be so close to the throne if not for his grand uncle who did the right thing by abdicating to marry the one he loved.

Not surprising though he pays no tax, including inheritance tax having inherited over £2billion following his mother's demise, he's the largest land owner in the country but uses the media to distract his commoners to fight their fellow commoner who rents out one or two properties while he does nothing to free up land or even build affordable rented accommodation for young people. His children's future is financially secure though they do no work. Prevents his tenants from installing double glazing while he says he's fighting climate change.
Smokes and mirrors everytime.
His brother Andrew is being shielded with tax payers funds while he directs the media to pounce in his son to distract from the real story.

Goodness. Exclamation not description obv.

FloofCloud · 13/01/2024 12:20

Fucking hilarious ... it's more akin to children's parties and choosing 'best costume'
I do hope they have REAL awards for true pioneers and hero's
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 that's just so funny

FloofCloud · 13/01/2024 12:22

mrsmingleton · 11/01/2024 11:21

Will he go alone or will Meghan be there I wonder trying to push him along?

🤣🤣🤣 wearing her best effort at flight clothes, fawning adoration and fake mess ..... maybe there's be an almost catastrophic plane chase afterwards

FloofCloud · 13/01/2024 12:23

Falkenburg · 11/01/2024 11:49

It's a typo. It's actually 'Living Bellend'.

🤣🤣🤣 this thread just keeps giving

maeveiscurious · 13/01/2024 12:28

I read the article, it's just a club of mildly famous people who can fly a plane. Wouldn't it be wonderful to recognise real heroism snd skill in aviation

FloofCloud · 13/01/2024 12:46

@Maireas - bloody brilliant ... Orville 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

BrittleVeneers · 13/01/2024 13:01

mrsmingleton · 13/01/2024 11:50

Yet here you are.

Oh, I see the point in talking about Harry’s achievements, but can’t see the point in ‘investigating’ some award on the other side of the world in order to try and tear Harry down: but have at it.

mrsmingleton · 13/01/2024 13:02

I wish there was a funny button on here.

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BrittleVeneers · 13/01/2024 13:08

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 13/01/2024 11:58

Lots of pilots can fly an Apache helicopter quite well. In fact I'd assume flying it 'quite well' is pretty much a requirement for being an Apache pilot.

I never said that lots of helicopter pilots couldn’t fly an Apache helicopter quite well. So can Harry.

mrsmingleton · 13/01/2024 13:09

Maybe some interesting fashion coming soon?

Prince Harry to receive a Living Legend of Aviation award
Prince Harry to receive a Living Legend of Aviation award
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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 13/01/2024 13:49

BrittleVeneers · 13/01/2024 13:08

I never said that lots of helicopter pilots couldn’t fly an Apache helicopter quite well. So can Harry.

Harry can fly an Apache helicopter. Quite well was what you said. Dunno why you went off on a what you didn't say tangent.

Obviously sarcasm doesn't come over on SM. My point being (sorry if that went over anyone's head) is that flying Apaches 'quite well' is not exclusive to PH. Far from it.

So you can extrapolate from that that there are a lot of people who are as equally deserving, if not more so, of this 'award.'

WinnieTheW0rm · 13/01/2024 14:51

I really don’t understand this need some people have to deny or minimise anything that Harry does that can be classed as an achievement. Would they do it to any other service man or woman who represented their country in war?

Are those people all being given a Living Legend award? Perhaps if they were, the debate would indeed be different

FloofCloud · 13/01/2024 15:59

WinnieTheW0rm · 13/01/2024 14:51

I really don’t understand this need some people have to deny or minimise anything that Harry does that can be classed as an achievement. Would they do it to any other service man or woman who represented their country in war?

Are those people all being given a Living Legend award? Perhaps if they were, the debate would indeed be different

Agreed! Ref the quote (sorry don't know who said it) he doesn't have anything in his back pocket, including how he got into an officer programme in the first place (well except his connections!)
Some RF members have had great sporting achievements ... I'm sure there are others, but not a royalist ... but if he gets this award, it's shockingly bad taste for all the real legends who have been actual legends and achievers

EncantoSpice · 13/01/2024 16:54

If someone obtains a position they wouldn’t otherwise via nepotism and then does an average job, I don’t think you have to be overly impressed by their “achievements”. Someone who was actually qualified for the job might have achieved much more!

FloofCloud · 13/01/2024 17:01

What the real shame is that a good dose of army life didn't help with his entitled crappy attitude ... hey ho

mrsmingleton · 13/01/2024 17:03

I interviewed several WW 2 survivors and one of them had flown 35 yes 35 bombing missions over Germany. At the end of the war they dropped food to the Dutch and were then involved in repatriating prisoners of war from all over the world home. These were ordinary men doing an extraordinary job. There are millions of everyday aviation heroes who deserve this award more than Harry.

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Uricon2 · 13/01/2024 17:43

I respect Harry for doing all he could to "do his bit" as a member of the armed forces, including learning to fly Apaches. I don't respect him for thinking that he is fit to polish Buzz Aldrin's moon boots as a "living legend of aviation".

Basically, it is rich boys who are well paid members of the aviation field, a sprinkling of flying film and music stars and the odd real achiever/legend. I think the point that lots of us are trying to make is that there is nothing about Harry that particularly distinguishes him over multiple thousands of others except his title, which he was born to and did not earn. That is why he has been given this award. There is no other possible reason.

I've known men who were 19 year old Spitfire pilots in WW2. They were notable by their self effacing modesty.

StormzyinaTCup · 13/01/2024 18:16
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Most people were unaware until the couple's mouthpiece piped up on social media (and it wouldn’t have been posted without sign off!). He/the couple have drawn attention to this all by themselves (just like the 'catastrophic' car chase)

When you have zero self awareness, an over inflated sense of your own self importance and a very thin skin (Sandhurst snub is a good example) then buying getting an award like this cannot be allowed to go unnoticed . It’s an ideal opportunity for people to recognise and discuss all his achievements, for people to say ‘hey, what a guy that PH is’ and to agree with him that he absolutely is a legend and fully deserving of a ‘legend of aviation’ award. It’s like a mass ego massaging exercise. I expect the couple thought it would be well worth the financial outlay (although anyone with even the most basic of PR experience would have urged a note of caution).

Thank goodness opposing views can be freely aired and serious/ awkward questions asked (whilst not forgetting memes, emojis and cartoons because, let's face it, their credibility has all but gone down the pan).

I'm embarrassed for them and if he turns up to accept this award I can only hope he shows just a smidgen of humility and acknowledges that there are people out there who are more deserving (which would take some brass neck if you have bought the award for yourself !).

maeveiscurious · 13/01/2024 18:22

Well with all the current activity in the ME there may be e a call to arms for veterans. I'm sure this hero will be at the front of the queue

Dustybear · 13/01/2024 18:27

Where is the fairness in this? Surely Andrew is more deserving of this award. He piloted helicopters during the Falklands war and he didn’t even break sweat 💦 🚁

Maireas · 13/01/2024 18:38

@Dustybear 😂naughty!

FloofCloud · 13/01/2024 18:40

Aahh I've just realised it was probably an attempt, again, of oneupmanship as it was also Kate's birthday this week ...not to mention all the 'publicity' Uncle Andy is getting - dummy spitting PH wants to be in the papers -- even though it's kind of the cartoon section really of the Viz