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Prince Andrew Was Lying (and Sweating) From The Start, Wasn't He?

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TallerSally · 04/01/2024 14:50

So now we have it, the abject and in all likelihood criminal behaviour of Prince Andrew, still titled Duke of York and still eighth in the line of succession to the British throne, laid out for all to see.

Settled out of court as part of a grotesque cover-up.

Still denying knowing Virginia Giuffre, and presumably Johanna Sjoberg whose breast he allegedly fondled, who are undoubtedly the tip of the iceberg of the girls Prince Andrew and his paedo friend Jeffrey Epstein abused.

Still protected by Buckingham Palace who have gone out of their way to state the accusations as "categorically untrue", as if anyone believes them.

Still supported by the British Royal Family who seem desperate to "rehabilitate him" (and his grifter ex-wife), still living in a Royal Palace presumably at taxpayers expense (i.e. Grifter in Chief), still prancing around at official functions, still oozing a sense of arrogant entitlement, with no-one including King Charles having any sense of courage or moral rectitude to deliver to make him face the consequences of his repugnant actions.

Still being defended by the royal palaces briefing operations and the British media, and by those at ease with shameful double standards on various boards, including this one, who are happy spending their time posting 100'000+ messages a year attacking Meghan and Harry while turning a blind eye to a likely real criminal.

No amount of covering-up will ever rehabilitate Prince Andrew. All it'll do is drag the royal family further down in the esteem of folks with any sense of decency.

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Novella4 · 05/01/2024 15:24

@Roussette
Im not really serious about William destroying it all from within- but I’m casting about for an explanation as to why he is SO bad at the very limited role expected of him

Kings do worse than queens . I’ve said it before and I have no actual proof , just instinct . It will be downhill from Charles who was already downhill from Elizabeth.

thenarcissistssister · 05/01/2024 15:26

Roussette · 05/01/2024 15:17

Who says they can't comment on this sort of thing? They have on H&M before. Recollecctions may vary blah blah blah

No, it's not shocking in the slightest. He is a nephew. Let the sister and brothers comment. They are the ones who should be. But it's silence.

Why is it that the Royals are applauded for keeping schtum, yet when someone who is not a working Royal or funded by the taxpayer is 'shocking' for doing the same.
Weird.

Hmmm… What’s weirder is you wanting to condemn Andrew - and to taint the royals you happen to dislike by association -while tying yourself in knots to avoid any criticism of Harry! Very strange!

Everyone knows the working royals don’t comment on these matters, they haven’t even said anything to defend themselves against various personal attacks.

Harry and Meghan on the other hand rarely stop giving everyone the benefit of their opinions, so if they haven’t spoken out about Andrew it’s exceedingly strange, almost suspicious.

Angrycat2768 · 05/01/2024 15:27

Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:53

Interesting. I agree with your second para. I will give him a chance like I gave Charles a chance, but I have an uneasy feeling about what might ensue.

Not sure on your last para, I think he wants to be King of all he surveys.

Yes me too. I think he wants to be King. He just doesn't want to put any more than the bare minimum of effort in. The Wales' are livng off PR and not being Harry and Meghan at the moment.
My theory is that there is no feud at all, and Harry and Meghan are being paid to be giant human Shields. They can piss about in California, be annoying, take the press to court and really wind them up, so the minimal effort put in by William and Kate goes largely unnoticed!

Novella4 · 05/01/2024 15:29

Ha ! That’s a much better theory than mine @Angrycat2768 !

Roussette · 05/01/2024 15:30

@thenarcissistssister

Really not sure I am 'tainting the royals'. And no knot tying of myself going on here! I am expressing an opinion on a discussion forum, just like you. I don't agree with you about it being 'suspicious' that H&M haven't spoken about Andrew. That's fine we can agree to disagree.

As Novella says, they are supporting Andrew very visibly, and that's appalling in my book. H&M have nothing to do with that decision. ('They' being the RF)

thenarcissistssister · 05/01/2024 15:32

My point is that criticism of Andrew is the issue here, surely royals who are ‘free to speak’ should be taking a stand and speaking out?

Harry and Meghan spring immediately to mind but I’d count Zara & Mile Tindall in the same category

DysonSphere · 05/01/2024 15:32

Didn't buy a house the other day. Or her daughters bought her one. Perhaps he'll divide his time between there and a smaller house on the grounds as you say.

Roussette · 05/01/2024 15:34

Angrycat2768 · 05/01/2024 15:27

Yes me too. I think he wants to be King. He just doesn't want to put any more than the bare minimum of effort in. The Wales' are livng off PR and not being Harry and Meghan at the moment.
My theory is that there is no feud at all, and Harry and Meghan are being paid to be giant human Shields. They can piss about in California, be annoying, take the press to court and really wind them up, so the minimal effort put in by William and Kate goes largely unnoticed!

Now, that is a very interesting post!

I cannot understand why two 40 year olds can do so little with the endless 'oh, but the children' nonsense excuse. Will this go on until Louis is 18?!

What other household in the UK has two parents of that age doing the minimum? (3 engagements in December, nothing in Jan yet)

Roussette · 05/01/2024 15:35

thenarcissistssister · 05/01/2024 15:32

My point is that criticism of Andrew is the issue here, surely royals who are ‘free to speak’ should be taking a stand and speaking out?

Harry and Meghan spring immediately to mind but I’d count Zara & Mile Tindall in the same category

As if Zara and Mike would do anything remotely like that! They were walking into Church with him just a week or two ago!
They know which side their bread is buttered!

DysonSphere · 05/01/2024 15:36

ChanelNo19EDT · 05/01/2024 14:35

But more than that, I think they think that if he's officially charged, it'd be a worse scandal. But I can't see him getting more money out of crown pickets to pay off girls he has groped. I think if charges are made, charles and William will not handover money for out of court settlements. Those days are gone! The days when money was even an issue.

What are royals going to do with him. He would be in danger now.

I think he'll be gone out of royal Lodge within a year. Somewhere on the grounds but on a small property to send the message that he has been "punished"

Didn't Fergie buy a house the other day? Or did het her daughters buy her one. Perhaps he'll divide his time between there and a smaller house on the grounds as you say.

LolaSmiles · 05/01/2024 15:40

I dislike the implied assumption that people who criticise Harry and Meghan's public actions must support Andrew or are supporting him by omission. They're two separate topics.

For example, I have strong views about Andrew and his behaviour. I also have mixed opinions about Harry and Meghan's public behaviour, some I'm very sympathetic to them and others I think they've misjudged it.

One of the main reasons that Harry and Meghan will get spoken about more is that they're in the public eye more, they're doing things in the media, releasing books, doing interviews, therefore people are going to talk about it and then. Andrew on the other hand has been shut away from most public life and is hiding from scrutiny, which means fewer articles, he's not doing press events and that means there's less for people to comment on.
Whether he should be able to hide in royal grounds is a perfectly reasonable discussion, and FWIW I don't think he should be able to. But if there's lots of press stuff about other royals people will talk about it.

DysonSphere · 05/01/2024 15:42

Angrycat2768 · 05/01/2024 15:27

Yes me too. I think he wants to be King. He just doesn't want to put any more than the bare minimum of effort in. The Wales' are livng off PR and not being Harry and Meghan at the moment.
My theory is that there is no feud at all, and Harry and Meghan are being paid to be giant human Shields. They can piss about in California, be annoying, take the press to court and really wind them up, so the minimal effort put in by William and Kate goes largely unnoticed!

Nah.

Meghan would never submit to that. The feud is real. Harry is a brat and the family is dysfunctional.

Charles ought to hand the throne to William so that the RF can have some hope of future preservation. It needs new blood and fast. The current generation aren't conservative and want to tear things down that appear to be fortresses against societal equity but really aren't.

feellikeanalien · 05/01/2024 15:47

Either the RF are being badly advised or they really don't care.

What is an undisputed fact is that PA continued a friendship with a convicted sex offender (who also paid off some of his wife's debts) and went on national television to try and defend it. The interview was filmed in a royal property so the RF were fully aware of aware of what he was doing. If the Queen had had any sense she should have forbidden it.

He is revolting and if he had any self-awareness or any interest in the continuance of the monarchy, he would be completely withdrawing from anything to do with the RF instead of constantly trying to worm his way back in. I found his and his ex-wife's appearance at Sandringham quite nauseous. This wasn't just a family occasion and any attempts to portray it as such are disingenuous at the least.

In light of the document release, and more to follow, I think the RF have really damaged themselves or at the very least shown themselves to be totally out of touch with the views of the majority of the public.

I'm not particularly pro or anti monarchy but this has lowered any opinion of them and I am sure I won't be the only one.

GothConversionTherapy · 05/01/2024 15:52

DysonSphere · 04/01/2024 20:39

I think Virginia is standing behind Maxwell in that picture if you look carefully. Maxwell is covering her face. Perhaps intentionally so as to block her from the camera? I'm speculating.

If you look at Naomi's face in the two photos she's clearlyHmm at her obvious under-ageness. It's interesting that there aren't any full on photos of Giuffre in the party. Perhaps she was manoeuvred to be out of sight as much as possible.

Yes Naomi is obviously wondering what's going on there. The other guests mostly appear male.

LolaSmiles · 05/01/2024 16:05

I'm not particularly pro or anti monarchy but this has lowered any opinion of them and I am sure I won't be the only one
Same here, though I'm a tentative republican who wants the whole family to be private citizens and a properly designed, transparent legislative system to have checks and balances to limit governments pushing fringe agendas.

alltootired · 05/01/2024 16:08

The Royal Family have made it clear they are standing behind Andrew. That will not change. Being an obvious liar and an alleged rapist is not an issue for them.

Samcro · 05/01/2024 16:12

thenarcissistssister · 05/01/2024 15:08

Well working royals aren’t able to comment on these sorts of matters but Harry and Meghan are free to say what they like?

Are you saying they haven’t condemned Andrew publically, in Spare or the interviews?? Despite all the things they’ve said about other people?

if so, that’s pretty shocking!

off so because the royals CHOOSE not to speak. if H&M don't say anything they are wrong. you couldn't make up what people think on here.

the rf have protected him, look at how he played dress up at the coronation.
they need to bloody speak up.

TallerSally · 05/01/2024 16:31

feellikeanalien · 05/01/2024 15:47

Either the RF are being badly advised or they really don't care.

What is an undisputed fact is that PA continued a friendship with a convicted sex offender (who also paid off some of his wife's debts) and went on national television to try and defend it. The interview was filmed in a royal property so the RF were fully aware of aware of what he was doing. If the Queen had had any sense she should have forbidden it.

He is revolting and if he had any self-awareness or any interest in the continuance of the monarchy, he would be completely withdrawing from anything to do with the RF instead of constantly trying to worm his way back in. I found his and his ex-wife's appearance at Sandringham quite nauseous. This wasn't just a family occasion and any attempts to portray it as such are disingenuous at the least.

In light of the document release, and more to follow, I think the RF have really damaged themselves or at the very least shown themselves to be totally out of touch with the views of the majority of the public.

I'm not particularly pro or anti monarchy but this has lowered any opinion of them and I am sure I won't be the only one.

Well said!

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Lampzade · 05/01/2024 16:38

Livingtothefull · 05/01/2024 13:50

Here is Prince Andrew mentioned by name on official Court documents - a total of 67 times! - yet Buckingham Palace continues to state that the allegations are 'categorically untrue', ie that his accusers are liars.

So there is to be no police investigation into the allegations. His brother Charles, our Head of State, publicly shows support for him - again implying that the accusers are liars.

Alongside this, Charles's son and his wife (not accused of any crimes) are publicly alienated from him and receive far more vilification and hatred from the media and some members of the public, than Andrew. Andrew, unlike Harry, is invited to Sandringham at Chrismas and is greeted by 'well-wishers' on a walkabout.

So many members of the public (including some posters here - on this site of all places) are apologists for sex trafficking, rather than standing up for victims. Maybe these people need to reflect on how all this makes our country look; it utterly disgusts me and is making me ashamed of being British right now.

Exactly
it is a disgrace

shockthemonkey · 05/01/2024 16:46

I abhor Prince Andrew, and have done for a very long time, since long before any of this scandal first surfaced.

I am also critical of Harry and Meghan.

I hope I'm neither an apologist for sex offenders nor a racist.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 05/01/2024 16:56

Same, I’m not keen on H&M either.

Samcro · 05/01/2024 17:03

What have H&M got to do with what Andrew has done?
why do they get shoe horned into these threads. It’s like posters want to derail

alltootired · 05/01/2024 17:11

Because we are all supposed to hate Meghan and Harry and ignore what anyone else does i.e. Andrew.

Roussette · 05/01/2024 17:12

alltootired · 05/01/2024 17:11

Because we are all supposed to hate Meghan and Harry and ignore what anyone else does i.e. Andrew.

Of course! They're the fall guys for literally anything the RF mucks up!

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 05/01/2024 17:30

No one is accusing H&M of anything. It was in response to a pps who said that posters on this thread were probably H&M stans.