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Prince Andrew Was Lying (and Sweating) From The Start, Wasn't He?

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TallerSally · 04/01/2024 14:50

So now we have it, the abject and in all likelihood criminal behaviour of Prince Andrew, still titled Duke of York and still eighth in the line of succession to the British throne, laid out for all to see.

Settled out of court as part of a grotesque cover-up.

Still denying knowing Virginia Giuffre, and presumably Johanna Sjoberg whose breast he allegedly fondled, who are undoubtedly the tip of the iceberg of the girls Prince Andrew and his paedo friend Jeffrey Epstein abused.

Still protected by Buckingham Palace who have gone out of their way to state the accusations as "categorically untrue", as if anyone believes them.

Still supported by the British Royal Family who seem desperate to "rehabilitate him" (and his grifter ex-wife), still living in a Royal Palace presumably at taxpayers expense (i.e. Grifter in Chief), still prancing around at official functions, still oozing a sense of arrogant entitlement, with no-one including King Charles having any sense of courage or moral rectitude to deliver to make him face the consequences of his repugnant actions.

Still being defended by the royal palaces briefing operations and the British media, and by those at ease with shameful double standards on various boards, including this one, who are happy spending their time posting 100'000+ messages a year attacking Meghan and Harry while turning a blind eye to a likely real criminal.

No amount of covering-up will ever rehabilitate Prince Andrew. All it'll do is drag the royal family further down in the esteem of folks with any sense of decency.

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Roussette · 05/01/2024 13:14

I am curious as to what they are thinking. The RF that is. Charles and W in particular.

It is obvious that change is needed. The whole RF has changed beyond recognition. No Andrew, H&M, elders who used to do duties being pensioned off.... yet they are just treading stagnant water. K&W have not stepped up, two or three engagements in December, nothing in January yet, just does not cut it.

I am not sure that Charles and K&W are quite as a united front as they like to portray.

Livingtothefull · 05/01/2024 13:50

Here is Prince Andrew mentioned by name on official Court documents - a total of 67 times! - yet Buckingham Palace continues to state that the allegations are 'categorically untrue', ie that his accusers are liars.

So there is to be no police investigation into the allegations. His brother Charles, our Head of State, publicly shows support for him - again implying that the accusers are liars.

Alongside this, Charles's son and his wife (not accused of any crimes) are publicly alienated from him and receive far more vilification and hatred from the media and some members of the public, than Andrew. Andrew, unlike Harry, is invited to Sandringham at Chrismas and is greeted by 'well-wishers' on a walkabout.

So many members of the public (including some posters here - on this site of all places) are apologists for sex trafficking, rather than standing up for victims. Maybe these people need to reflect on how all this makes our country look; it utterly disgusts me and is making me ashamed of being British right now.

Lockupyourbiscuits · 05/01/2024 13:56

DaisySnowdrop · 05/01/2024 08:17

Completely agree OP. I just find it disturbing that his daughters would’ve been the same age or similar age to these poor young woman on that “island”.

i don’t know how Buckingham Palace could ever confirm it was true and deliver a consequence that the public would be happy with.

I haven’t read the whole thread but I agree how disturbing his behaviour is in itself but on top of that to treat young girls in that way when he was a father to similar age girls is additionally disgusting and disturbing

He is a repulsive individual

I too can’t see where the Royal Family can go from here as he is the Kings brother so they are stuck with him
It would have been better if he could have been dealt with by the courts

Im pretty sure if he was my father I would be completely grossed out and even start thinking was he looking at my friends that way - which is a natural reaction
I certainly wouldn’t feel comfortable around him

GrouchyKiwi · 05/01/2024 13:58

Livingtothefull · 05/01/2024 13:50

Here is Prince Andrew mentioned by name on official Court documents - a total of 67 times! - yet Buckingham Palace continues to state that the allegations are 'categorically untrue', ie that his accusers are liars.

So there is to be no police investigation into the allegations. His brother Charles, our Head of State, publicly shows support for him - again implying that the accusers are liars.

Alongside this, Charles's son and his wife (not accused of any crimes) are publicly alienated from him and receive far more vilification and hatred from the media and some members of the public, than Andrew. Andrew, unlike Harry, is invited to Sandringham at Chrismas and is greeted by 'well-wishers' on a walkabout.

So many members of the public (including some posters here - on this site of all places) are apologists for sex trafficking, rather than standing up for victims. Maybe these people need to reflect on how all this makes our country look; it utterly disgusts me and is making me ashamed of being British right now.

This is the BBC on what Buckingham Palace has said in response to these papers (what you're saying is incorrect):
Buckingham Palace has previously said her allegations are "categorically untrue". It has declined to comment on the new documents, saying it no longer speaks on behalf of the Duke of York, who no longer carries out royal duties. The BBC has approached Prince Andrew for comment.

They previously said the allegations were categorically untrue and now refuse to comment.

Livingtothefull · 05/01/2024 14:04

GrouchyKiwi · 05/01/2024 13:58

This is the BBC on what Buckingham Palace has said in response to these papers (what you're saying is incorrect):
Buckingham Palace has previously said her allegations are "categorically untrue". It has declined to comment on the new documents, saying it no longer speaks on behalf of the Duke of York, who no longer carries out royal duties. The BBC has approached Prince Andrew for comment.

They previously said the allegations were categorically untrue and now refuse to comment.

No it is not incorrect. The fact that they have already stated that the allegations are categorically untrue, means that they stand by that statement until/unless they refute it. Their latest statement is an obvious copout. We can wait & see though if Andrew responds to the BBC.

Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:07

Buckingham Palace has previously said her allegations are "categorically untrue". It has declined to comment on the new documents, saying it no longer speaks on behalf of the Duke of York, who no longer carries out royal duties

If that isn't pathetic, I don't know what is.

Why the actual f**k is he poncing about with the rest of the RF at photo opportunities, wearing all the garb at the Coronation, escorting the Queen into church... if they are saying he is no longer carrying out royal duties... stop him trying to ingratiate himself then, and boot him out of 98 acre Royal Lodge in Windsor. They can't have it all ways

Livingtothefull · 05/01/2024 14:07

I see that Keir Starmer has now stated that the police should look into serious allegations against Andrew.

GrouchyKiwi · 05/01/2024 14:09

Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:07

Buckingham Palace has previously said her allegations are "categorically untrue". It has declined to comment on the new documents, saying it no longer speaks on behalf of the Duke of York, who no longer carries out royal duties

If that isn't pathetic, I don't know what is.

Why the actual f**k is he poncing about with the rest of the RF at photo opportunities, wearing all the garb at the Coronation, escorting the Queen into church... if they are saying he is no longer carrying out royal duties... stop him trying to ingratiate himself then, and boot him out of 98 acre Royal Lodge in Windsor. They can't have it all ways

Beats me. I don't understand why they haven't kicked him to the kerb and left him there.

Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:13

GrouchyKiwi · 05/01/2024 14:09

Beats me. I don't understand why they haven't kicked him to the kerb and left him there.

I wonder if Andrew is a manipulator. He used to manipulate the Queen to get exactly what he wanted... maybe he does with Charles too.

Livingtothefull · 05/01/2024 14:14

Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:13

I wonder if Andrew is a manipulator. He used to manipulate the Queen to get exactly what he wanted... maybe he does with Charles too.

Well we know Charles is no slouch himself when it comes to being friends with perverts and paedos - so who knows what Andrew has on him?

GrouchyKiwi · 05/01/2024 14:17

Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:13

I wonder if Andrew is a manipulator. He used to manipulate the Queen to get exactly what he wanted... maybe he does with Charles too.

It wouldn't surprise me. Might also be why his ex-wife and daughters are so keen to stick up for him, despite connections to trafficking charities and whatnot.

Or maybe PPs are correct and none of them care at all about what he's done.

Either way, the way the RF is currently handling things is baffling if only from a PR perspective, given the way most people think of Andrew.

Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:20

Either way, the way the RF is currently handling things is baffling if only from a PR perspective, given the way most people think of Andrew

Yes. Given they are obsessed by public support, surely ditching Andrew would be a price well paid to get the public on side? They surely know from the media he is disliked and them wheeling him out makes them a laughing stock all over the world... I just can't imagine why they cling on to him... unless he threatens to spill the beans

ChanelNo19EDT · 05/01/2024 14:20

Maireas · 04/01/2024 16:39

What astonishes me is his total lack of self awareness about the whole situation.
That's some level of entitlement.

Yes, this is the most triggering bit! He feels persecuted.

TallerSally · 05/01/2024 14:26

I think the RF doubling down on their dismissive attitude towards Prince Andrew's crimes and their cover-up attempts is them in essence saying to us: "F*ck all of you, we own this country and we will do exactly what we want!"

They know that a large part of the population are easily manipulated and lulled into going along with whatever they're told to go along with, as long as they're fed a daily diet of smiling photo ops, outfits, hair-do's, ceremonial robes and H&M-bashing material.

What they are underestimating is there's a sizeable and growing chunk of the population (perhaps more youthful, and perhaps more discerning?) that is seeing through their double-standards and manipulation, and demanding accountability and better behaviour from the expensive billionaire royal grifters the UK is saddled with.

There was a time when the populace looked to their royals for protection. Now the Royal family's no longer needed for that, they should at least behave like beacons of morality and upstandingness, and role models for the rest of the population.

Instead, they harbour child molesters, dodge inheritance tax, protect paedophiles, accept suitcases of cash from middle-eastern donors, commit adultery, rob unclaimed estates from the deceased, interfere in government, brief against each other through their media operations, travel around by helicopter and private jets etc etc while giving zilch back to the population with their performative stunts and empty promises to end homelessness, end poverty, slim down the Monarchy (while doing exactly the opposite) and on and on.

Who do they think they are fooling, indeed!

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Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:34

Great post @TallerSally I agree. And I think there is a growing movement of questioning what the RF in all its glory is really doing.

I remember, after the Coronation, when the protestors (who had agreed a spot to protest after months talking to the Met) were arrested. Graham Smith CEO of Republic said they had 30,000 new people sign up and subscribe with a fee........ because they were arrested and put in a cell for absolutely no reason whatsoever. And the optics were appalling, so much so, three of the most senior members of the Met went to his house to apologise. It's stupidity like that, that feeds into the Republic movement.
Ditto, stupidity with supporting Andrew.

ChanelNo19EDT · 05/01/2024 14:35

But more than that, I think they think that if he's officially charged, it'd be a worse scandal. But I can't see him getting more money out of crown pickets to pay off girls he has groped. I think if charges are made, charles and William will not handover money for out of court settlements. Those days are gone! The days when money was even an issue.

What are royals going to do with him. He would be in danger now.

I think he'll be gone out of royal Lodge within a year. Somewhere on the grounds but on a small property to send the message that he has been "punished"

AliceOlive · 05/01/2024 14:41

Maireas · 04/01/2024 16:39

Sadly, as I said on the other thread, I feel that most of these men will not be brought to justice.

They won’t. Bill Clinton was credibly accused of assaulting a highly respected woman and friend, Kathleen Willey, who had zero to gain and no political reason for the accusations. No one will acknowledge it. Because it’s not convenient and women don’t really matter when push comes to shove, even to other women.

thenarcissistssister · 05/01/2024 14:44

What have Harry and Meghan said about Andrew? I mean, they are always quick to weigh in with criticism of the royals - presumably Harry devoted several pages to this toon in Spare? Has anyone read it?

Novella4 · 05/01/2024 14:50

@Tallersally
I couldn’t agree more with your post.
It took Graham Smith of republic to report Andrew to the police ! Where is the leadership in public life ?

I agree with the poster above who predicted William will be worse . He will. He has all Charles’ bad features and none of his warmth

I still half believe my own theory that William wants out but hasn’t the guts so is destroying it all from within .

Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:51

thenarcissistssister · 05/01/2024 14:44

What have Harry and Meghan said about Andrew? I mean, they are always quick to weigh in with criticism of the royals - presumably Harry devoted several pages to this toon in Spare? Has anyone read it?

Why should a nephew of Andrew comment on him, when his two brothers and sister say not a word.?

Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:53

Novella4 · 05/01/2024 14:50

@Tallersally
I couldn’t agree more with your post.
It took Graham Smith of republic to report Andrew to the police ! Where is the leadership in public life ?

I agree with the poster above who predicted William will be worse . He will. He has all Charles’ bad features and none of his warmth

I still half believe my own theory that William wants out but hasn’t the guts so is destroying it all from within .

Interesting. I agree with your second para. I will give him a chance like I gave Charles a chance, but I have an uneasy feeling about what might ensue.

Not sure on your last para, I think he wants to be King of all he surveys.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/01/2024 15:03

Livingtothefull · 05/01/2024 14:07

I see that Keir Starmer has now stated that the police should look into serious allegations against Andrew.

As the leader of the opposition he can afford to - whether he'd be quite so keen when/if PM remains to be seen

And considering this latest complaint was brought by Graham Smith I'm surprised anyone would even expect any action to follow ... has everyone forgotten how Republic were treated during the coronation?

thenarcissistssister · 05/01/2024 15:08

Roussette · 05/01/2024 14:51

Why should a nephew of Andrew comment on him, when his two brothers and sister say not a word.?

Well working royals aren’t able to comment on these sorts of matters but Harry and Meghan are free to say what they like?

Are you saying they haven’t condemned Andrew publically, in Spare or the interviews?? Despite all the things they’ve said about other people?

if so, that’s pretty shocking!

Roussette · 05/01/2024 15:17

thenarcissistssister · 05/01/2024 15:08

Well working royals aren’t able to comment on these sorts of matters but Harry and Meghan are free to say what they like?

Are you saying they haven’t condemned Andrew publically, in Spare or the interviews?? Despite all the things they’ve said about other people?

if so, that’s pretty shocking!

Who says they can't comment on this sort of thing? They have on H&M before. Recollecctions may vary blah blah blah

No, it's not shocking in the slightest. He is a nephew. Let the sister and brothers comment. They are the ones who should be. But it's silence.

Why is it that the Royals are applauded for keeping schtum, yet when someone who is not a working Royal or funded by the taxpayer is 'shocking' for doing the same.
Weird.

Angrycat2768 · 05/01/2024 15:22

thenarcissistssister · 05/01/2024 15:08

Well working royals aren’t able to comment on these sorts of matters but Harry and Meghan are free to say what they like?

Are you saying they haven’t condemned Andrew publically, in Spare or the interviews?? Despite all the things they’ve said about other people?

if so, that’s pretty shocking!

The Royals have commented loud and clear, just not using words. They are photographed with him all the time front and centre, have welcomed his ex wife back into the fold, simply because she defends him to the hilt. Harry and Meghan have nothing to do with this. Their gripe is with their own treatment, as they see it, by the Royal establishment and Harry's father and brother, and the press.