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Prince Andrew Was Lying (and Sweating) From The Start, Wasn't He?

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TallerSally · 04/01/2024 14:50

So now we have it, the abject and in all likelihood criminal behaviour of Prince Andrew, still titled Duke of York and still eighth in the line of succession to the British throne, laid out for all to see.

Settled out of court as part of a grotesque cover-up.

Still denying knowing Virginia Giuffre, and presumably Johanna Sjoberg whose breast he allegedly fondled, who are undoubtedly the tip of the iceberg of the girls Prince Andrew and his paedo friend Jeffrey Epstein abused.

Still protected by Buckingham Palace who have gone out of their way to state the accusations as "categorically untrue", as if anyone believes them.

Still supported by the British Royal Family who seem desperate to "rehabilitate him" (and his grifter ex-wife), still living in a Royal Palace presumably at taxpayers expense (i.e. Grifter in Chief), still prancing around at official functions, still oozing a sense of arrogant entitlement, with no-one including King Charles having any sense of courage or moral rectitude to deliver to make him face the consequences of his repugnant actions.

Still being defended by the royal palaces briefing operations and the British media, and by those at ease with shameful double standards on various boards, including this one, who are happy spending their time posting 100'000+ messages a year attacking Meghan and Harry while turning a blind eye to a likely real criminal.

No amount of covering-up will ever rehabilitate Prince Andrew. All it'll do is drag the royal family further down in the esteem of folks with any sense of decency.

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OhGetFucked · 06/01/2024 11:33

I think she meant the members of the public act like groupies.

Samcro · 06/01/2024 11:35

disgusting that the royal family still see him. seeing as Harry has been mentioned.
the way he has been treated by his family compared to andrew is disgusting.
andrew gets to dress up for the coronation, yet KC own son is sidelined.
Harry did the right thing leaving. the RF are really showing their true colours.
silence from them over this.

goodbyestranger · 06/01/2024 11:37

The contrast between Harry's treatment and Andrew's is certainly incredibly stark.

2dogsandabudgie · 06/01/2024 12:25

I think you read into that clip from the DM what you want to. He didn't sound to me like he was complaining. I can imagine that if you have a crowd of people all with their phones out pointing towards you whether they are filming you or not, so that you can't see their faces, yes it must be a bizarre experience. Saying that he has a choice, if he doesn't want to be filmed then don't go on walkabouts. He has enough money to stay out of the public eye.

CathyorClaire · 06/01/2024 12:25

Another document released on Friday, is an interview with one of Epstein’s former housekeepers, who said the Duke had daily massages when he spent “weeks” at the paedophile financier’s Florida home.

That's an interesting article. Thanks Rousette.

Highlights for me the lack of accountability the royals have yet again, this time in how they spend their time. Andrew was supposed to be 'trade envoy' at this point yet could disappear for weeks on end with no questions asked?

These unsealed documents are raising more and more serious questions about why the trade envoy documents should still remain sealed. We need the truth about this man.

As for the DM article - no words. It's as if the royal-chasers wear information proof suits and blinkers.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/01/2024 12:58

The RF are really showing their true colours. Silence from them over this

If we scratch the surface even slightly their true colours are always obvious, Samcro, but I'm honestly not sure what they can say unless they're prepared to really cut him off - and from the disgusting public appearances they're obviously not

Also, as I've said so often, if they cut him out for his filthy associations and general appalling judgement the focus may move to Charles, and they can't have that

TallerSally · 06/01/2024 13:24

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/01/2024 12:58

The RF are really showing their true colours. Silence from them over this

If we scratch the surface even slightly their true colours are always obvious, Samcro, but I'm honestly not sure what they can say unless they're prepared to really cut him off - and from the disgusting public appearances they're obviously not

Also, as I've said so often, if they cut him out for his filthy associations and general appalling judgement the focus may move to Charles, and they can't have that

True, but it also works both ways.

As in people are asking why King Charles isn't doing more to make Andrew face consequences of his behaviour? ... because Charles is himself a befriender and protector of paedos. Jimmy Saville, Bishop Peter Ball, KC's own uncle Lord Moutbatten, former royal butler Paul Kidd... the list goes on!

I'd never heard of anyone but Saville before developing outrage at KC's and PW's inaction over Prince Andrew, and well now I'm doing the research (thanks fellow posters on MN), and spreading the word widely!

So all Buckingham Palace are achieving by their complacency and shameful attempts to rehabilitate Prince Andrew is converting more people to republicanism.

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Roussette · 06/01/2024 13:26

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/01/2024 12:58

The RF are really showing their true colours. Silence from them over this

If we scratch the surface even slightly their true colours are always obvious, Samcro, but I'm honestly not sure what they can say unless they're prepared to really cut him off - and from the disgusting public appearances they're obviously not

Also, as I've said so often, if they cut him out for his filthy associations and general appalling judgement the focus may move to Charles, and they can't have that

Yes

He's almost like the flood defence system for the RF! (Very apt given the weather!)

thenarcissistssister · 06/01/2024 13:35

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/01/2024 13:39

It also works both ways

As in people are asking why King Charles isn't doing more to make Andrew face consequences of his behaviour? ... because Charles is himself a befriender and protector of paedos. Jimmy Saville, Bishop Peter Ball, KC's own uncle Lord Moutbatten, former royal butler Paul Kidd... the list goes on!

Precisely, TallerSally - and respect to you for taking the trouble to inform yourself of all these connections

It's not for any of us to tell others what to think of the facts, but I do find it depressing that so many simply don't want to acknowledge them

Roussette · 06/01/2024 13:46

I'll take you seriously when you level the same complaint about Prince Harry who wrote an entire book about every thing that's wrong with the RF and omitted to mention Prince Andrew...

Have you read the book cover to cover? Because you are so wrong in what you are saying about 'the entire book'

Why the hell should a nephew of Andrew talk about his awful behaviour when his two brothers and sister say not a word.
Maybe Zara should comment on Andrew first? She is within the RF still and is a niece, so same relationship to Andrew as Harry. Personally I think it's down to Andrew's siblings and the King NOT nieces and nephews to speak out

This is just yet another stick to beat Harry with
Good on him for not touching on that hot potato

upinaballoon · 06/01/2024 13:57

I wonder when the Republic will come. I wonder how it will be. I wonder if Michal Hussein will be the fifty-year-duration (by law) president.

DysonSphere · 06/01/2024 14:04

Say what you like about Harry but at least he saw it all for what it was and has got out

As if that's what he originally wanted😄 Initially at least, he wanted - indeed fully expected - the perks without the responsibility. He wanted to merch stuff under the Sussex Royal brand, live mostly abroad with full taxpayer funded security, and slip back to do a few appearances now and then. He very much enjoys the status associated with his titles. He was furious that there was a delay in his children receiving them, and he has ensured his daughter's name is forever associated with Royalty by naming her the Queens very specific nickname.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the Royals ought to be made to do anything for their titles. I actually think they should stop being made to sing for their supper with all their engagements. The increase sense of ownership of them by the public and press over the decades of the Queen's Reign has been a total PR disaster. I think they should now be a mostly private family. Aloof, symbolic and mysterious, as they used to be. But Harry's stance doesn't even approach the sincerity of Anne's in terms of her ethics about her children receiving titles. His position now is one of someone backed into a corner. An outcast making hay with all he has remaining. That's great, make lemonade why not? But lets not pretend it's a decision based from an original position of empowerment.

If Harry really wanted to be unassociated with Royalty and what it represents, he'd give up his Title and his right to the throne. As it is, if anything unfortunate happened to his brother and his family, I sincerely doubt he'd turn the throne down and why should he? He isn't anti-royalty. He's actually been saying this. He's just had a hugely delayed tantrum. That's what happens when you have unresolved trauma in your youth, it comes out later with a humongous side of resentment. Before maybe healing.

Andrew is awful and certainly ought to be cut off for pragmatic reasons alone. But he's clinging on just as Harry is.

Roussette · 06/01/2024 14:08

You really cannot put Harry in the same box as Andrew

DysonSphere · 06/01/2024 14:09

I didn't put them in the same box. I put them in the same category

thenarcissistssister · 06/01/2024 14:13

This is just yet another stick to beat Harry with
Good on him for not touching on that hot potato

@Roussette actually, it's being used throughout the thread as a stick to beat Charles and William with - what's the difference?

And "good for Harry" - for not speaking out against the legitimately awful Andrew in a book riddled with petty gripes against various other family members???

Make it make sense...

Roussette · 06/01/2024 14:15

DysonSphere · 06/01/2024 14:09

I didn't put them in the same box. I put them in the same category

That's the same

Roussette · 06/01/2024 14:17

thenarcissistssister · 06/01/2024 14:13

This is just yet another stick to beat Harry with
Good on him for not touching on that hot potato

@Roussette actually, it's being used throughout the thread as a stick to beat Charles and William with - what's the difference?

And "good for Harry" - for not speaking out against the legitimately awful Andrew in a book riddled with petty gripes against various other family members???

Make it make sense...

As I have explained endlessly, it's a little different a sibling compared to a nephew who is not a working member of the RF. Why aren't you criticising his two brothers, one who is the King, or his sister?

Have you read the book?

It is not just petty gripes

Ellmau · 06/01/2024 14:18

CathyorClaire · 06/01/2024 12:25

Another document released on Friday, is an interview with one of Epstein’s former housekeepers, who said the Duke had daily massages when he spent “weeks” at the paedophile financier’s Florida home.

That's an interesting article. Thanks Rousette.

Highlights for me the lack of accountability the royals have yet again, this time in how they spend their time. Andrew was supposed to be 'trade envoy' at this point yet could disappear for weeks on end with no questions asked?

These unsealed documents are raising more and more serious questions about why the trade envoy documents should still remain sealed. We need the truth about this man.

As for the DM article - no words. It's as if the royal-chasers wear information proof suits and blinkers.

Are massages illegal in Florida?

Because although PA's behaviour is undeniably sleazy, I'm still not seeing any crimes for which he could realistically be convicted.

2dogsandabudgie · 06/01/2024 14:23

Tallersally - There's no proof that King Charles knowingly protected Savile. Savile was a highly intelligent manipulative man who used the Royal Family for his own gains. Savile knew exactly what he was doing. Princess Diana said that Charles saw Savile as a "sort of mentor".

Alalain · 06/01/2024 14:28

Themountainwithsnowonit · 06/01/2024 11:25

Are you saying trafficked girls are just 'groupies'?

"it's the almost beatific beams of the watchers which get to me, almost as if they're honoured just to be there watching their idols."

I was referring to the public fawning over Andrew and the RF.

ChanelNo19EDT · 06/01/2024 14:38

2dogsandabudgie · 06/01/2024 14:23

Tallersally - There's no proof that King Charles knowingly protected Savile. Savile was a highly intelligent manipulative man who used the Royal Family for his own gains. Savile knew exactly what he was doing. Princess Diana said that Charles saw Savile as a "sort of mentor".

Yeh, I think it's highly unlikely that Jimmy Saville showed his real self to Prince Charles, I'm sure he hid his real self from Charles.

DysonSphere · 06/01/2024 14:43

Roussette · 06/01/2024 14:15

That's the same

Nope.

A category is broad. A box is specific.

There really ought to be a stance somewhere between H&M are figureheads for the Republic cause and H&M are traitors to the Crown.

DysonSphere · 06/01/2024 14:45

Because they're really neither

Roussette · 06/01/2024 14:47

DysonSphere · 06/01/2024 14:43

Nope.

A category is broad. A box is specific.

There really ought to be a stance somewhere between H&M are figureheads for the Republic cause and H&M are traitors to the Crown.

Being a traitor is the term used by the two convicted men calling for Harry's execution, so you agree with them?

He is not a traitor.

He left. That's all

I understand why

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