Omid Scobie Endgame PART 5

[Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar]

A continuing civilised and enjoyable discussion of all things relating to Endgame. Please keep posts on topic - I do not want to have to invoke Ross Gellar again!

Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4957618-omid-scobie-endgame-part-4?page=1

Ah but maybe he scowled while Kate nodded politely?

Someone upthread suggested that the RF could put it all to bed by saying what happened. I definitely agree with the people who think they are right to do as they are and retain a dignified silence. The more information people have the more questions it will be raised.

I suspect if Megan wanted that he would not just ask, he’d fight for it. And I can see her wanting to live there.

If you go on YT and look at The Vintage Read Show: MM's Indispensable Friend, the presenter does a well researched primer on him. She avoids/dispels the more outlandish theories I have heard about him (she's very sensible).

I also agree that the best course of action regarding the racism claims is no action.

H&M have been so vague about it and offered no concrete details. All the RF could do is say we think it was this conversation between X & Y.

I can see H&M responding yes that was an instance of unconscious bias but what we've been talking about is a completely different conversation, that we are still going to be vague and not talk about.

The time for piping up was straight after Oprah. Both sides.

Things have moved on since then and opinions have changed.

A dignified silence will allow the pair of them to continue to bluff and bluster and they will continue to clart themselves in shite.

For all the greetin’ about the institution telling tales to besmirch them? Why bother?

No one could do a better job of that than them. 🌱

if they’d actually went and did some real work first . Created great content, did proper charity work, work that was about the charity, got known for all that, then later, did a book, did interviews on the royals. And only then, they’d have got away with it, and even been respected for it.

Agree

Also agree that Meghan wasn't an A lister. She was on a glorified cable show.

But she could have been. Agree that the Hollywood Reporter will be damaging.

Yeah I don’t think they should tell their side. Half of people will believe them, half won’t, it won’t change minds. The knowledge there is another side serves the same purpose and also gives them moral superiority.

I do agree the best policy for the RF is grey rock, but see too that it just emboldens Harry and Meghan to tell more outrageous lies. Saying it was Charles and Catherine was designed to get into the public domain and goes against what many royal commentators say. To name these two was designed for the biggest shock value and designed to bring Catherine down in people's estimation. As Meghan clearly hates kate I've no doubt when scobie collaborated with her this was put forward. Plenty of anti royalists and Sussex supporters will be happy to believe the perfect princess is a racist. However it really is a rock and a hard place for the RF, and on balance silence is best for now. I've also no doubt Meghan will write an autobiography where she further adds to the Catherine and Charles lie.

I think Meghan will add a few more names to the mix in her memoir
She said “several conversations “
The drip drip will go on and she needs to sell those copies

Thats why there has been no comment- because it isn’t finished and leaves the door open for the other two targets

I know what you mean, @rosyglowcondition - however, I suspect they'll just keep telling more unpleasant and unfounded stories whatever happens. We know that so many of these so called "truths" have been exposed, so I would just keep schtum - Harry and Meghan will just end up with no credibility at all.

@Maireas Deep down I agree, although simple research (archbishop of Canterbury/garden wedding) can easily disprove their lies, but this particular lie can't be researched by anyone as it's a he said/she said situation. Yes the time to come out and say who said what and in what context was post Oprah then it would have been finished and not swirling round years later. I do think Charles is protecting Camilla though as Tom bower is a very good source, and it appears to be an open secret among other royal correspondents. Seems so unfair to Kate but it's a tricky one.

The racist claim was undoubtedly though the biggy and there won't be anything as outrageous as that even possible after all this time.

If MM loses her WME contract, I think she will go for broke on the book (which I imagine is already written) as she has nothing to lose at that stage, and they are under a 5 book contract with Penguin. WME might rein her in if they say she needs to stay off the RF stuff to continue the relationship. An unpublished memoir of her time with the RF and drug addled Harry might also be leverage in the event of a divorce.

I think a divorce would be so ugly and devastating for the kids so hope they stay together and work at being more honourable people. Ditch the 'our truth', stick to 'the' truth, find their focus and stop leapfrogging from project to project, stop trying to one upmanship the RF and carve out their place in America.

I do agree the best policy for the RF is grey rock, but see too that it just emboldens Harry and Meghan to tell more outrageous lies.

Agreed, but I think their increasingly outlandish lies and working in the arts favour. They’re letting them have enough rope to hang themselves. The more they behave like this, the more people who were previously on the fence about them see that their stories don’t add up. The less credible they are as sources, the less negative impact further revelations will have on the RF. As we’re starting to see, the tide has turned and people are feeling sympathy for the RF. I think their neighbours were quoted as saying they were appalled with them taking aim at their elders and their cruelty to family.

Gosh, that YT video explains the full on ladder climbing step by step.

I think H and M are increasingly desperate for a reaction. The less the RF respond, the angrier H and M get. So odd.

@Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar I love the vintage read too! So soothing and well researched! She even manages to be kind to the Sussexes (at times)

It would not surprise me if they are kept on the side line of the A-List circle at least M seems so desparate to be a part of.
H&M seem far too indiscreet. And while they are currently "only" attacking the RF, who says they wouldn't turn on anyone who H&M perceive to have slighted them.

Absolutely and I have a horrible feeling it’ll get worse before it gets better. Unless as @Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar said, WME threaten to drop her unless they rein themselves in.

I also wonder how many other UK celebs are going to come out of the woodwork now Paddy McGuiness has started talking. They’ve thrown so many people under the bus that I bet telling a negative story to the press will look more and more tempting.

I saw on Twitter talk about their Christmas card being ‘delayed’ won’t be worth sending out will it?

What? Weird!

Wonder if it was b&w so they're doing something else.

If it's true, that is.

It would not surprise me if they are kept on the side line of the A-List circle at least M seems so desparate to be a part of. H&M seem far too indiscreet. And while they are currently "only" attacking the RF, who says they wouldn't turn on anyone who H&M perceive to have slighted them.

Really Top A Listers such as the Obamas and possibly the Clooneys mix in genuine royal circles. They won't want to jeopardise those connections, and they have more class than to want to get dragged into it all.

I think the recollections may vary response was perfect. Any clarification opens the door to giving Meghan the final word with her version.