RAVEC - Prince Harry

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Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

Is anyone including Harry saying that PC influenced RAVEC’s decision and would be willing to let himself and his wife come to harm?

Which brings me back to the point: if you think the Head of State of a country would actively hurt you and your family and the country’s security apparatus would collude in it why the hell would you want to visit it????
Why not disavow everything to do with such a toxic and terrible family and country. including one’s title and one’s place in the line of succession?

Is Harry saying that this soft power of the monarchy is really being deployed against him and him and his family only? The dude left. I really doubt PC and William give him the same headspace he gives them.

So these same white men were able to handle racist terrorist threats against Harry when he was in the UK but now that his location has changed they are suddenly going to be incompetent? EXCEPT when Harry pays them and they will be competent again?

But that isn’t happening bc KC and PW probably don’t believe, or are not inclined to, believe Harry right now or take him seriously atm. And so the racist nature of the threats are, if not entirely ignored, not given enough weight.

Why put people through years of specialised training, and then pay them high salaries to make high level security decisions, when folks on the internet know best?

I’ve already replied to Maireas that I don’t think KC or PW would want to see Harry or his family harmed, no.

More that they would not be inclined atm to push for special measures on his behalf.

This is such a ridiculous insinuation that I'm not sure it deserves a response.

But if what you are hinting at is true, then obviously it's best for Harry to just stay in California. As everyone knows, there is no racism, no crime and certainly no 'paps' there. And as the Duchess has told us, no tabloids either!

Problem solved.

More that they would not be inclined atm to push for special measures on his behalf.

But seeing we have evidence that it would make no difference even if they did, that’s a moot point…

At the risk of repeating myself, I’m
saying it’s a moot point that the monarch has as little private influence over these matters as the public procedure would suggest.

[More that they would not be inclined atm to push for special measures on his behalf]

And if it came out that KC had used his position to procure special treatment for Harry I can just imagine the outrage that would follow!

Apparently they're only incompetent when deployed on the basis of sophisticated risk assessment.

When they're sat hanging around waiting for you to pop over on a whim, they're highly competent.

Who is saying there is no racism in the USA? Certainly not me! Who is being ridiculous now?

it's schrodinger's Queen's security letter

both an example of

1. an attempt of interference by the Queen on an independent Government process to get Harry more security than he is entitled to
2. an example of the Queen not really wanting Harry to have security at all an attempting to influence the independent Government process as the Queen's private security doesn't like Harry

or imo it could it be an example of the Queen representing the opinion of the royal family on behalf of a member of the family (Harry) but understanding the process is independent

I think the letter probably DID influence the panel somewhat as Harry did seem to receive a bespoke deal that arguably he shouldn't have. Security provided when he comes to UK on official business. A reasonable compromise.

So why aren't the taxpayers of California on the hook for Harry's security then? That's his place of residence now.

You still haven't explained why you think the current arrangements for Harry's security in Britain are unreasonable.

Even if the lack of those special measures would put him in harm’s way??
So RAVEC says we have a credible threat and we need X and PC says no?

Otherwise we are either saying:

• Met Police and HO are incompetent even though they have protected Harry
• their incompetence will vanish if Harry pays for their security
• PC won’t approve special measures even if it puts his son’s family in the way of harm.

Btw I say this as someone who DOES think the Met Police is misogynistic and corrupt and institutionally racist. And I really doubt Harry would have the balls to say that. What he IS saying that they are not doing what he wants them to do. Which takes me back to the ‘I am more important than you guys realise’ argument.

This is a security apparatus that protects Heads of States for important G7 summits, a bunch of high profile visitors for state visits and so on (including many of whom are not white) but it is for the fifth in line to the throw that they will be specifically incompetent.

or imo it could it be an example of the Queen representing the opinion of the royal family on behalf of a member of the family (Harry) but understanding the process is independent

So now you are agreeing with what many other posters have been saying all along?!! That the Queen sent a letter to express her wishes but recognising RAVEC’s independence. What happened to the monarch not pushing for “special measures” for Harry? That’s some impressive pretzelling going on there 😂

Again, all v good points MangshorJhol and taken on board.

I guess we will see. I certainly hope I am wrong.

We can all disagree about the causes but I genuinely believe that the level of vitriol directed against them now, largely thanks imho to Murdoch and Rothermere pressing the “annihilation* button globally - has reached shocking unprecedented proportions.

It’s as if many people feel it’s ok to hate and ridicule H & M, with Morgan and Clarkson acting as hideous Pied Pipers , and that it’s somehow acceptable for for certain folk to express openly previously masked racism and misogyny and let rip!

Which 'certain folk'? I haven't seen anyone on here express support for Morgan or Clarkson - the opposite.

I don't read tabloids as a general rule (occasionally when I have Googled something, but then I take it with a big pinch of salt). My main daily source of news is The Guardian, which is openly republican in its editorial line.

And yet, I think Harry's JR of the RAVEC decision making process is a huge status-driven strop, and that his deal of security being reviewed for every visit is the right one. Proportionate and recognising that he does have security risks because of who he is.

It’s as if many people feel it’s ok to hate and ridicule H & M, with Morgan and Clarkson acting as hideous Pied Pipers , and that it’s somehow acceptable for for certain folk to express openly previously masked racism and misogyny and let rip!

No it isn’t. People have just said that although although totally deplorable , racism
and misogyny in themselves are not a security threat

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Which 'certain folk'? I haven't seen anyone on here express support for Morgan or Clarkson - the opposite.

I've seen it. Back when Clarkson was full force with that vile onslaught. I saw "he has a right to express his opinion" on here
Ditto with Morgan. A lot of posters have stood up for him in the past.

Well, they aren't. Not to Harry or Meghan.

Racism/misogyny, plus a desire to act on them towards strangers (especially high profile strangers are).

Extreme political ideologies, plus a desire to act on them are.

In general racism and misogyny play out in 101 daily actions, not plots to attack a member of the RF.

The desire to act on them towards strangers, and then the subsequent actions - going on-line to communicate/plan with others, getting info about bomb making, accessing the means to attack etc I am not an expert so wouldn't know in detail - makes up a credible threat.

Threat, not thread!

I do love the idea that Harry is better qualified to judge the level of threat than the police and security / intelligence services because they are all white men whereas his wife is mixed race 😂

That's one for the mn batshittery collection.

It's like saying that anyone who believes in a united Ireland is on the way to becoming a terrorist.

The underlying belief, whatever you think about it's validity, is not the risk factor. It is the level of fanaticism and willingness to take violent action that is the risk.

Indeed 😂

And somehow these white men are also assessing the threats to Rishi Sunak!

Presumably they are failing to adequately understand the threats to him as well...

Your twisting my words there Hughs in a superior sort of way. That’s fine.

But anyone who thinks racism and misogyny doesn’t lead to violence is “batshit”
in my view.

And whether they have the skills / resources / opportunity I think.

You are correct Roussette but that still does not make them personally a security threat to the Sussexes as pp have tried to point out.