RAVEC - Prince Harry

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Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

If he'd have settled into a quieter life that he'd spoken of, stopped being a huge pain in the arse, creating maelstroms around himself along with his wife, then maybe he'd feel a bit safer. Personally I think it's his ego and sense of entitlement. If the met had any kind of intelligence that he/they were at risk, of course there would be support, but, IMO, hes trying to drape himself in as much 'royalness' as he can scratch up yo boost himself and his wife, this is just another argument he wants to throw his gold toys out of the pram and be a pain in the arse

and watching Wallis have affairs with her lovers.

And playing golf. I've always reckoned that after 1936 the Windsors led the most futile existence imaginable.

Yes, theirs was a case of 'be careful what you wish for'

I think the late queens letter saying the Sussexes should have adequate security just goes to show yet again how much he couple lied on their Oprah Winfrey interview and have continued to lie since they left. They were not forced out, their own statements at the time showed it was a choice. If they felt forced why was their book entitled Freedom? It should have been called 'Exiled' if they were forced.

Talk of England being his home is all BS. He said many times before he even met Meghan he wanted to live elsewhere, namely Africa. They are trying to paint a picture of being exiled like Edward and wallis with him and meghans cosplaying the pair in clothing and images. It shows they are aligning themselves with the couple who were exiled in a pity play. Anyone with an ounce of historical knowledge will know they were Nazi sympathisers and very unlikeable characters.

The “Forced Out” narrative is a stretch when we all know the timeline here, and what each party said and did.

As mentioned upthread, the whole process was kicked off by the Sussex Royal announcement where they announced they intended to “carve out a progressive new role”, and valued the chance to earn a private income which they currently were not allowed to do. But they still looked forward to representing the Royal family and collaborating with the Queen.

Then came the Sandringham summit. The Queen said after that “Harry and Meghan have made clear that they do not want to be reliant on public funds in their new lives. It has therefore been agreed that there will be a period of transition in which the Sussexes will spend time in Canada and the UK”

Meghan and Harry appeared to be somewhat annoyed at the transitional arrangements, saying on their website: “While there is precedent for other titled members of the Royal Family to seek employment outside of the institution, for The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, a 12-month review period has been put in place.”

Journalist Tom Bradby (he did the “not many people have asked if I’m okay” interview in South Africa) was quoted in People as a “friend of the couple” warning that “should a suitable solution not be reached, the royal couple could give a no-holds-barred interview. I have some idea of what might be aired in a full, no-holds-barred sit down interview and I don’t think it would be pretty,”

So, they announced they were leaving, and the manner of their leaving, got pushback from the Palace, hammered out an agreement which they seemed less than happy with, but left anyway, while making threats that they could seek revenge for this (which they did, as we know). And they themselves expressed this as them “Finding Freedom” - i.e. something that they very much wanted.

@Serenster Nice summing up, and a clear timeline showing their intention was to force the RF hand and have a half in half out deal. They were in touch with Oprah before the split so their assumption was they would get the deal they wanted. The 2 year hissy fit was a demonstration of their feelings at not getting what they wanted.

I just cannot see how having a case by case approach for someone who no longer lives in the country is not appropriate

Interestingly, even Harry's supporters have so far failed to explain why this isn't appropriate. They go on and on about why he should get security, but don't address the fact he is getting it when the professionals believe it necessary

Given the number of times it's been discussed I can only think this is because there's no real answer beyond the belief that Harry should get something simply because he wants it, and that really isn't going to fly any more

It's all about maintaining status and relevance I think - using the titles, insisting they were invited to the wedding, angling for a Christmas invite, wanting security arrangements typically reserved for more important people. Anything that implies value. Because without that implied value, what do they have?

The fact is that Harry is increasingly irrelevant

and yet its all this board talks about! A book written about the entire family has become thread after thread on just Meghan and Harry, completely unrelated things too... when she goes out, she's smiling at the pain of the royals.... seriously, you all make them relevant so if what you want is to stop hearing about them, maybe stop talking about them?????

Seriously, you all make them relevant so if what you want is to stop hearing about them, maybe stop talking about them?????

Never a truer word spoken I think. The only thing Meghan and Harry still have to make then relevant is continuing to use their PR to get people to talk about them. That costs money though, and doesn’t generate income by itself.

you all make them relevant
I think that's the work of the Sussexes, primarily but not exclusively through Omid Scobie.
Imagine if they weren't talked about, weren't in the papers? I suspect they would not enjoy that experience. At all.

Their PR and agents must be expensive, @Serenster , so often another approach for celebrities is a "pap walk" which is quite an effective and low cost method of publicity.
You just have to keep your name/brand/image out there.

RAVEC has the correct approach prince harry is just stirring up attention 🙄 the press should ignore him

Hardly likely. Given this. (Ben Ryan writes for Guardian, NYTimes, NBC News, WaPo and The Atlantic)

Benjamin Ryan
@benryanwriter
Hating Meghan Markle is a billion dollar industry. It will never stop. Too many people make a living off of it.

I think we can all agree these Meghan and Harry storylines beat Eastenders and Coronation Street hands down

I hope there’s isn’t a Christmas Special though

Fascinating stuff !

It would probably top the Christmas Day ratings, though 😁

@Lockupyourbiscuits - a Christmas Special would be brilliant! Perhaps they could read extracts from their books set to festive music.

Harry is a double-edged sword for Invictus. They only get coverage when Harry's doing something. Their other work - for example in Jordan this month - barely gets noticed

Oh, I disagree @Lockupyourbiscuits a Christmas Special would be just the thing!

This has been true since Meghan entered the scene. I think the comparisons with Catherine are an attempt at gaining credibility and perceived value* without doing the work.
The attempts at false and fast intimacy (bare feet, hugging too soon, baby brain comments, trying to share lip gloss, expecting to shop together) came first.

When that didn’t work it was creating drama and a one-sided feud by talking shit to Oprah. Constantly comparing what Kate got or how she was treated vs Meghan. Ramped up to Scobie’s book full of comparisons to the two.

You even see it here. “Meghan had a career”. What decent person compares the lives of women this way, as if one may have more value than another?

It’s all just Machiavellian.

*I don’t believe some people have more value than others, but clearly they do.

Does nobody think it’s slightly strange that this golden nugget from the late Queen found its way in to evidence at this convenient moment?

@AliceOlive and @Sheepskinthrow
Excellent points!

Does nobody think it’s slightly strange that this golden nugget from the late Queen found its way in to evidence at this convenient moment?

Not at all. It found its way into evidence because Harry’s legal team filed an application to essentially ask the court to hold that the Mail On Sunday has no arguable defence to his libel claim against it. Both sides get to file a witness statement attaching relevant documents - Harry when filing his application and the MoS when responding to it. So when the court hears the application, it has the evidence it needs in front of it. And the court process are open, so the press can see and write about that evidence.

If not for Harry deciding to sue the Mail on Sunday, we would never have seen this.

Absolutely this ^^ Rousette

Can no one understand how lucrative it is for the press and media to keep the hostile narrative going? It’s all about the money!

Meghan and Harry actually released a statement about this saying that the hostile stories keep appearing relentlessly even when they have done nothing. It was a very well worded statement.

I wanted to quote it here, but funnily enough it’s quite hard to find via Google, which could be because I am bad at research, but it’s interesting how low direct statements from them appear in the Google rankings, as there are so many other stories funnelled through the right wing press that are antagonistic towards them, which pop up first!

I think it’s often forgotten on here, when there are so many negative about H&M , that virtually every single thing we “think” we know about them, has first been funnelled through, and skewed by, a writer in the pay roll of Murdoch or Rothermere.