2 racist royals?

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So who are the 2 royals who commented on Archie's skin now that Piers Morgan has named them on live tv

This is what I mean about people who apply different standards to ethnic people but claim they’re not racist. Why call her Meghan Markle? But it’s apparently disrespectful to call the other one by her maiden name but she must be referred to formally.

Why claim Meghan has been nasty to Kate, yet there are wide reports of Kate being the one who was nasty to Meghan in the run up to the wedding and zero reports of Meghan doing anything nasty to Kate?

Maybe challenge yourself as to why you’re so quick to believe everything bad about Meghan, yet nothing bad about Kate. Is it naivety believing everything you read in the Daily Mail? Or something more sinister….?

Not all of it is the press. People have had the opportunity to listen to Harry and Meghan’s own words through various interviews, podcasts, documentaries etc, and are entitled to make up their own minds.

I suppose my point is, not much. It wasn't long ago that he denied what happened to Meghan was racism, or that he defended Lady Hussey.

Lol the C of E is only being kept going because of Black people going to church and the only white people in Catholic churches are likely Polish. The congregations otherwise would have collapsed even more than they are already if they were relying on White British people to keep Christianity alive! And the positive action ( not discrimination was aimed at forcing people who, for decades when faced with an equally or even less qualified White person and a Black or Asian person would automatically appoint the White person on the basis of their skin colour/ accent/ school.

I agree that it is shameful that Kate demands Meghan curtesy. What a ridiculous custom in a ridiculous family headed by a gent who goes by the nickname of: "Your Majesty"

I agree

It's nothing to do with race. It's her behaviour.

Well our family have red hair and people do comment on that like- All The Time . So it's not that unusual really is it ?

Libel laws. Different countries = different laws.

Simples.

there does seem to be a serious dislike of Kate though from harry and Megan and a desire to tarnish her. Which is odd as she did obviously get on well with harry prior. But it is dislike of both of them. Is Kate simply collateral damage?

This I do not undderstand! In the Oprah interview MM said that PoW is a good person. She likes her.

So why insist on creating this story line?

Harry’s family are clueless on race, thus he never got any racial education from them.

His own father had a secretary who took Highgrove to tribunal for experiencing racial abuse from staff. She lost then but I don’t think she’d lose now as awareness has improved over the intervening 20 years.

You've articulated this so nicely - Thank you!

When you are subject to daily microaggressions, having you assess what should be simple civil conversations, it gets tiring. When it is insinuated that you are not where you are because of merit or that your children get into a good uni on a contextual offer. When there is blatant racism and people try and gaslight the facts, it is the most frustating thing ever!

No one thinks Meghan ,Duchess of Sussex is perfect. No one is perfect quite frankly. It is the issue that people are ok with imagining her being dragged naked through the streets pelted with poo. Yet we have an adulterer King who treated the wife of his youth very badly and caused untold damage to his poor sons, Andrew and his dalliances with underaged children but none of that quite frankly revolting vitriol is reserved for them.

Plenty of hate is sent Meghan's way because she refused to keep her head down and just be grateful to be a part of the BRF. All the racists and racist apologists on this thread are affronted that she dares to turn their back on their white privilege and dysfunction.

Did he deny it or was he trying to calm a storm and be precise. He specified “unconscious bias” which is a form of racism.

Me too, behaviour.

But I don’t actually dislike Meghan and before eg the Netflix documentary which I saw, I was torn between sort of not liking her behaviour and feeling she’d been treated badly and was pleased she’d stuck up for herself.

Now, I honestly don’t know what to think, or it doesn’t cross my mind to think about the RF. But the RF if they’re looking to build bridges with M&H and all this negative publicity comes out, well what are they to think? Or do they take heed of it at all? None of us know really.

Would you mind pointing me in the direction of insecurity, jealousy and nastiness?

To me she seems easy in her skin, competant and comfortable in a public role, a decent public speaker, seems like a hard worker who is well prepared for her events, the clothes she wears sell out quickly (implies people admire her "look") and so on.

I never saw insecurity as such. Definately no nastiness or jealousy.

But I may have missed it.

All I can say is that if I was running a globally recognised “firm” I’d make damn sure that a disgruntled partner was dealt with in house so they wouldn’t defect and brief against the firm.

It’s just piss poor management.

@Willyoujustbequiet "It's nothing to do with race. It's her behaviour."

Do you have any concrete examples of this behaviour which isn't rumour, gossip or speculation? Actual things she did wrong?

OK - haven't read the full thread but the Dutch paper I saw the other day named them as King Charles & Princess Michael of Kent - Kate wasn't mentioned at all?

It’s definitely the King and Princess of Wales who are named in the book.

But none of this you know for definite, isnt it all speculation anyway? I dont have any black friends as it happens, does that mean that I am racist? (Genuine question, I have no idea what people think of me in general.....)

@Mirabai i don’t know why you keep quoting me but…

I think it’s easy to say what you say, but in the case of the RF, Meghan hasn’t been briefed on protocol etc or if she has she’s chosen to ignore some of it and do her own thing (I’m just surmising here) and Harry sadly probably hasn’t prepped/briefed her well.

Then you get the established RF who probably think M is an upstart and has rubbed people up the wrong way. How can you deal with these people (presumably K&W) especially if they’re in line to the throne? You can’t. Or not easily.

Of course you may mean that the disgruntled partners and H&M. So do you just let them have their way so they don’t defect and brief against the firm (eg RF)?

32 pages of total drivel on both sides of the spectrum. Who gives a shit - genuinely, who cares about any of these people? Bunch of overprivileged navel gazing bellends, the lot of them.

Missing the point that I was making. Some people do believe that she is insecure, jealous and nasty - as evident from this thread. But it is not all just because they are mindlessly brainwashed by the press, there are enough direct sources available for people to make up their minds that have nothing to do the press.

Whilst none of us know what really was said on both sides or how both feel given the documentary, book and interview it would seem that racism was only one of a whole host of complaints that were levelled at the RF. Airing your private family issues in public is in my view not the way to seek peace and harmony. Do I believe they were unhappy - yes, but there are two sides to every story, different perceptions and perspective. I think the racism allegation has put the RF in a very difficult position - they don't normally comment, if I were them I would stick to to that as getting involved in media storm is not going to improve relations for anyone.

It is a fact that Meghan denied any collusion with OS over Finding Freedom. This was proven in Court to be a lie.

Meghan told Oprah that she and Harry were 'really married' in the garden of their house in Windsor. This is untrue.

There are other examples, but for me this proven dishonesty is enough to make me view what she says with a healthy scepticism.