Omid Scobie's New Book - PART 2

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I'm not sure what is the correct etiquette for carrying on a thread, but here we are. Thanks to @BoxedandRibboned for the original thread.

Original thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4935714-omid-scobies-new-book?page=40&reply=131041571

Does Scobie not leave the publishers open to a legal action with no evidence to provide of any legal proof behind the names and the Royals or at least a fishing legal letter avoiding disclosure as the publisher will not want to go to court unless they are willing to throw Scobie under the bus.

Ah, my apologies, I got the wrong end of the stick. I actually think the poor me in South Africa interview, the bullying staff business, the Thomas Markle debacle (pre wedding and the letter) and the final rows and flouncing were all massive red flags, where proceeding with caution thereafter, and way before Oprah, would have been the wiser course. Mind you, Charles' own history is so fecked up, he probably doesn't have a great perspective on it all!

Apparently we can leave the book feeling stronger about the RF than ever before or leave it feeling actually I would like public discourse about.

I think I’ll just leave it thanks.

It sounds like he's starting to get a bit worried about the legal implications. Good.

As has been said before, Scobie will have kept every email , every text so he could easily rush even more dirt if Meghan throws him under a bus .

Meanwhile the slagging off of Kate and William has begun!
The wales are racist , have racist pictures on their walls .
Rode in opentop land rovers .
Chain link fences .
Etc etc etc ...... exactly what was hoped for I imagine!

Meanwhile the slagging off of Kate and William has begun!
The wales are racist , have racist pictures on their walls .
Rode in opentop land rovers .
Chain link fences .
Etc etc etc ...... exactly what was hoped for I imagine!

I don't know, I don't think it's having quite the impact that some thought it would. The anti-W and K people are trying to use it to stir stuff up but most people are tired of H and M and their lies and shenanigans. Unless anyone actually accurately describes what happened and what the letters actually said, most people know that it's the usual insinuations and gossip and just roll their eyes and move on.

I doubt very few genuinely neutral onlookers or W and K supporters are going 'OMG, I thought Kate was lovely, I can't believe she'd do this, I will never support her again'.

If anything I think it'll make people more supportive of the RF. Certainly when I read posts by known Republican people on here it makes me less and less likely to ever support the Republican cause.

Imagine the toll this is taking on Catherine. To be publicly named as having 'concerns' about how dark a baby's skin might be.

It's a hideous accusation which should only be made if you are sure it happend and that was their intention, and you are willing to stand by and demonstae evdience for the vilest act you have accused someone of.

M&H threw out the accuation, then went quiet and let everyone stew in the aftermath, let it hang over people, then backtracked, and now their attack dog has named the Princess of Wales as the person who did this hideous thing.

Unless they truly beleive Catherine is what they have insinuated they should be very worried about her, about her mental helath and about how such a high profile women can stay stable and strong under such vicious attack.

It's grotesque.

It's partiucuarly grotesque because I don't beleive for a minute that whatever was said was racist, and they know it.
They are using the worst acustaion that can be used, with the flimsiest of grounds, to try to destroy a women.

It is grostesque. And they know it.

Indeed @Sweetpeasaremadeforbees , however it is extremely ugly to see people using baseless claims to bolster their own claims and beliefs in this manner with false evidence!
And apparently new people to this shitshow actually believe it!!

I watched the beginning of Scobie on This Morning. He still believes that he has written a rigorous, serious book about the monarchy. Delusional.

I don't think this book will change minds but in the short term I can see more support for the royal family because it is such a mean spirited hatchet job. I wonder if it was written primarily for the American market, in which case Scobie seems to understand the US about as well as he understands the monarchy and how to time releasing a book to catch the zeitgeist.

Just watched the This Morning interview. It starts with Alison Hammond reaching out to OS and saying, "Morning, Homey" and I think OS replies, "Thanks, Hun". How very professional, Alison! OS looks nervous.

Note how the male presenter asks OS how his week has been so far and OS replies, "Thank you for asking". Channelling a bit of MM there!

Blaming the press for negative coverage and saying things about the book that aren't true. You are not owed a good review, Omid!

He clearly has no understanding of what Stepford Wife means. It does not mean stately detachment comparable to the queen! It does not mean reserved and detached. It means giggly sex doll making dinner for her husband before blowing him every evening. Watch the movie, man!

Male interviewer asks OS whether he's fighting their corner. He says no. Then goes on to describe how he's been fighting their corner.

OS completely deflects the questions about his sources.

The Dutch book issue: He still keeps using and emphasising the phrase, " I wrote the English version of the book". Surely he wrote every version of the book, it's just that some of them are translated into other languages. He then deflects with the information about the alleged racists being in the public domain and known by journalists anyway. Well so what? Those journalists didn't put it in your book. Somebody actively wrote 5 lines or more with names in that Dutch book. Every time he denies it was him, it begs the question, well who, and based on what information supplied by whom?

He seems genuinely surprised that the press are interested in him. He's a tabloid journalist, why is he surprised? He's been doing interviews and talking about himself, saying that his perspective is unique because of who he is. (I totally agree that if his dad is being harassed and him receiving death threats is beyond the pale, but the former is what journalists do, including OS, and the latter is not going to be journalists, it's going to be the usual nutters on social media).

He also seems genuinely surprised and hurt that his writing is not considered by the critics to be any good. He's very full of himself. He talks like he's the only person who has ever critiqued the RF, analysed its purpose and relevancy and questioned its future. That conversation has been happening for the last 30 years, and by far more insightful people than him.

He talks a good talk, I'll give him that. He just doesn't seem to have written the book he thinks he has. Whoever the male interviewer is (Graig? Craig?), he's done the best interview I've seen yet, he actually tried to challenge OS. And I agree, had OS written the book he described in that interview, it sounds like it would have been really interesting. But he can't claim every single negative review is based on press bias in favour of the RF. And the Dutch version incident has just made OS the story now, he's got nobody but himself and his publisher to blame for that.

Poor Alison was desperate to have a conversation about MM, but it wasn't happening.

I would imagine that H and M are pissed off because

a) OS has nicked the grenade (that has actually turned out to be a bit of a damp squib) that they had preciously guarded

b) Kate is getting sympathy for being accused of something that she can't defend - they think that they alone should be considered the victims

c) if OS was sued, their involvement in the book (whether recently or months/years ago) would be revealed

I don't think they give a toss about W and K though I'm sure they'd deny that and claim that they wanted a reconciliation (actually I'm not sure that M cares about a reconciliation apart from the money that she could generate from it).

I thought it might be a damp squib but it seems that social media was just biding its time. It makes no difference about the “it’s not racism but unconscious bias” that was always a stupid comment. I’ve even read some going for Charlotte, it appears age doesn’t protect.

It makes sense that the conversations or unconscious bias (not racist though according to Harry) was made by 1 of 3 people, Charles, William or Catherine.

William who is actually very guarded was furious enough to make a comment to the press after Oprah. I thought at the time it must have been someone very close to him. I couldn’t imagine him getting that cross over Camilla, Edward or Sophie.

He would have been aware of the context of conversation which does alter whether it is racist or not. I have 3 gorgeous mixed race children and they themselves comment of which features they take from each parent including skin tone.

I thought it might be a damp squib but it seems that social media was just biding its time. It makes no difference about the “it’s not racism but unconscious bias” that was always a stupid comment. I’ve even read some going for Charlotte, it appears age doesn’t protect.

Social media is always like that (full of thick people and nutters) but no-one sensible takes any notice of it. I actually hope the RF sue OS. Get him and his publishers in court and get him to reveal his sources. Get them to explain exactly what was said and what was in the letters and let's see the exact involvement of H and M in this saga. H claims to be all for exposing lies and gossip spread by the media so he should be all for it.

I will agree with OS on one thing - Piers Morgan. What a dick that man is. He couldn't stand not to be the centre of a story involving the Sussexes, so decided he'd name the alleged racists. As soon as he gets involved, the nutters go into overdrive, because it's now open season.

And he's said for years - long before he even met Meghan, how much he wanted children. So I think he's got what he wanted and I believe it when commentators say they're in a good place

I don't think they're on the verge of divorce or anything.

But people publicly obsessing over perceived grievances from 5 years ago don't seem to me to be 'in a good place' at all.

Piers has also inserted himself into a certain vastly more important and controversial international news story, trying to make it all about him and his banal opinions.

I never get why anyone gives his any sort of credibility at all. He's an attention seeking tabloid hack.

Yeah, PM has outdone himself. Didn't think I could dislike him anymore, and here we are.

I wonder if Meghan and Harry had a version too…… that unfortunately ended up in the Netherlands.

Well I think that OS has scuppered the idea of M producing an explosive book! (Silver linings and all that.)

The interviewer is Craig Doyle (I googled it). He was very good and well prepared on the subject. He asked good questions, such as about the sources but OS slithered his way out of answering them. I hope they give Craig the permanent job. I've been off work for a couple of weeks and have watched a lot of daytime tv! Craig is smart and warm. I find a lot of tv presenters very shallow.

Au contraire.
I think she’s collecting more and more crap so her book outshits any previous publications.
I wouldn’t trust her an inch, she’s already alluded to the possibility of doing as much damage as possible.

What's a 'homey'? I've only ever heard it in that really annoying song.

The thing is, the RF can blame leaks on employees and palace staff because these people work for the institution, rather than specific individuals. These employees want a reputable job on their CVs, and they know the parameters within which they and the RF will operate. If it's a risk of the job that they may be hung out to dry, it's worth it for them because (a) the general public very likely won't know their names (b) if they do have to leave their jobs they'll be looked after in the way of a title or pay off or a kind word to a future employer. There are benefits (hence why the pay is generally so low, too).

Harry & Meghan have no such clout. Who on EARTH would want to do their dirty work for them anymore? It's arrogant in the extreme for them to try to replicate the RF ways by not liaising directly with Omid Scobie and putting everything through their comms person. Who would ever want to be their comms person (or whatever the job description is) ever again? Who would ever want to interview them sympathetically, write a generous book about them, say anything public in support of them if they're just going to be thrown under a bus while H&M sit in their Montecito mansion saying "oh it's nothing to do with us, we've never had a direct conversation with them, this is all their own choice and their own doing"?

At this point, the pair of them seem so isolated, so outwitted, so under-resourced. They've been the targets of undoubted unfairness and inequity along the way, but they have made their woes so, so, so much worse by their actions. They will never win against the RF, they just don't have what it takes. They should just give up, go live a quiet and private life in California, raising their children and playing video games/ trying on new clothes.