Omid Scobie's New Book - PART 2

[Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar]

I'm not sure what is the correct etiquette for carrying on a thread, but here we are. Thanks to @BoxedandRibboned for the original thread.

Original thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4935714-omid-scobies-new-book?page=40&reply=131041571

I think a conversation like that makes total sense @Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar . And it would be fair enough for them to have been concerned about how Harry would cope. I could even see a conversation like that where Harry says something like "kids will be light skinned though, I'm white and Meghan is mixed" and someone pointing out that genetics don't always work that way...

It's the extreme cheeky fuckery that comes with extreme narcissism.

Question- if someone is writing a biography, especially a controversial one, does he have to show his sources to his editor or do they just take his word for it? There are only two possibilities about the stories in this book- either H and M provided the information or OS is lying.

@JSMill presumably he would have to have shown his sources to the publishing legal team to pass through any legal checks?

@thebellagio Do you think it was delayed because he wanted coronation content ? There is always will they/won’t they be invited followed by will they/won’t they attend content that he must have hoped for some behind the scenes gossip?

@EdithWeston The most tragic aspect of what Bashir did is that Diana let go of her security people. Which may have contributed to what happened to her in Paris. For that reason alone, that interview should never be shown again.

Harry seems to want to own everything about Diana, her memory, her looks, her legacy, his belief in what Diana would make of all this. She is the one thing he doesn't want to share with William.

I think he confirmed that didn't he? It was originally supposed to come out in December last year, but then after the coronation date was announced, he said it was delayed so they could include that within it

I think that they genuinely wanted a reconciliation, and didn't realise how much Scobie had used their own words as ammunition. I actually genuinely think they didn't realise they were contributing towards this book - but everything they gave him with full permission was fair game to be used at anytime. The fact they expected this to be published last year during the Spare era, and not 12 months later when tensions had cooled is their own sodding fault.

Even before this book I think they would have been mad to think the RF would want a reconciliation. Just because they want to now move on why should anyone else have to. If I were William I'd struggle to even be in the same room as Harry. I guess Harry thinks that his father is probably the most keen on a reconciliation because of the father/son grandfather/grandchildren relationships whereas plenty of siblings don't get on. And William's children have plenty of cousins to grow up with without needing Harry's offspring.

I saw elsewhere on t’internet a photo posted by Scobie of a long-range photo of M&H waiting to receive The Queen’s coffin, with Charles in foreground. The photo was by M’s favoured paparazzo.

So photographer just happened to know when and where H&M would be, and then was able to scoot photo over to Omid. But of course they don’t know each other…….

When them fishing for an invite to Christmas at Sandringham was announced the person I really felt sorry for was Camilla. William and Kate could just announce that they're going to the Middletons this year whereas Camilla can't really spend Christmas apart from her husband.

Whatever mistakes Camilla made in having the affair was so long ago but from reading Spare, Harry absolutely hates her guts and she can never do anything to overcome his hatred of her

@Sweetpeasaremadeforbees I think with the Netflix doc and Spare there was probably a sense inside Montecito Manor that they'd got everything off their chests and they could move on now. Plus, I can imagine them thinking their hurt was far greater than any upset the RF might have felt for being dragged over the coals and, actually, they are being very magnanimous and the RF should be grateful they want to make up.

Scobie wrote that they are bewildered that William and Kate haven't spoken to them. Deluded, more like.

Scobie wrote that they are bewildered that William and Kate haven't spoken to them. Deluded, more like.

Any normal person would take the hint that maybe their family was pissed off with them if they didn't want to talk to them. I really struggle with how anyone could be quite so stupid.

the Sandringham rumours didn’t do them any favours - if they want to take their children to see their Grandpa then if he does what the late Queen did, they can go in privately in January when the rest of the wider family returns to their own homes and the monarch stays up there.

But that wouldn’t get them a photo op and make them look Royal to boost their commercial value so I guess that’s why the Christmas invitation is so essential.

Just in case anyone doesn't know the full extent of the shit that Bashir was telling Diana - and the reason why William wants the interview never to be aired - I recommend the Scandal Mongers podcast of YT with the journalist who broke the story, Andy Webb. It's absolutely extraordinary what Bashir was saying to Diana. She must have been terrified. I'm disgusted that Scobie thinks using the interview to further H&M's cause (and put millions of $ in their pockets) is "honouring" her.

Has there been any retraction that the names are incorrect? if they were then surely there would be an immediate apology, if the names are correct according to Scobie then how can it be a translation error.

No retraction or statement that I've seen except Scobie saying yesterday it was a translation error. Although as you've said that sounds impossible as the names needed to be there to translate them in the first place.

In my opinion the silence is deafening and suggests conclusively that this was no error.

I suspect Scobie is in crisis mode talks with his legal team and his publishers, and they will have been advised not to make any further comment whatsoever.

Harry seems to want to own everything about Diana, her memory, her looks, her legacy, his belief in what Diana would make of all this. She is the one thing he doesn't want to share with William.

this in spades - it’s really really messed up and must be so upsetting for William

You see it from posters too: "Harry was just a child when his Mum died, of course it's had a massive impact on him" - completely ignoring that William was also a child who lost his mother.

My overall take away is that this is ALL aimed at bringing Catherine down. Admittedly there’s some criticism of various other members of the family but they don’t have the hardened, vicious tone that is being aimed at her. I think Scobie is throwing everything at her with the full support of H & M. And not just because of M’s jealousy but also, here I will refer back to my previous post about other behind the scenes interested parties who would love nothing more than to see a major/strong historical institution of the UK in ashes, it is because Catherine and her children are the strongest links in the BRF. We all know it’s true, and this by extension makes William look good and increases the strength of support for him as King. If they can get her branded as nothing more than a racist and shamed, the rest will go far more easily.

I agree, I think that's what's happening too. They know it's actionable and must be worried. Because even though the Royal Family mantra is never complain, never explain, there is plenty of precedent for them suing. 👇

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19599899

The amount of responsibilities towards Harry, that his fans place on William because he's 2 years older, is extraordinary. They always forget he was just a child too.

Charles is a softy, and no doubt does feel a lot of guilt towards Harry - which he should do, frankly, although Harry also needs to grow the hell up.

William probably feels he owes nothing to Harry, having done his best to be a decent brother, but not wanting to be his brother's keeper his whole life. And if there was any residual guilt as the older brother and heir, that's going to be shot to shit now. Harry, both directly and through Scobie, has vilified his brother, Catherine (who was like his sister) and even had pot shots at their children.

I do think the door is still ajar between Charles and Harry. But William and Harry? I can't see it now, not after this book. Maybe in about 10 years if there's no further shite being lobbed from Montecito, but not in the short term.

I think it will only happen now if PH and MM split up – and he's the one who instigates it. If she leaves him, I have no doubt he'll find a way to blame his family for it.

I'm not seeing a Guardian review, but I imagine it will be 5 stars 😂

Especially because the 2nd name isn't even mentioned in the English version of the book in that paragraph. Hes really trying to sell the translator down the river if hes making it seem like it was all their doing