Omid Scobie's New Book - PART 2

[Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar]

I'm not sure what is the correct etiquette for carrying on a thread, but here we are. Thanks to @BoxedandRibboned for the original thread.

Original thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4935714-omid-scobies-new-book?page=40&reply=131041571

I wonder if the bullying report will somehow be leaked ?
I also wonder what other info Tom Bower is sitting on ?

More lies
as pointed out above names have been inserted this isn’t going to wash

I literally think he doesn’t even know what the truth is
A compulsive liar

I wish Jessica Mulroney would write a book

God they just keep producing umpteen different versions of this story don't they? It barely even makes sense anymore.

M originally claimed it was specific comments when she was pregnant. Then Harry said it was said to him, before they got married, and that he would never name the individual. Then it wasn't racism but unconscious bias. Now it was two people having a conversation, neither of which was Harry...

Make up your sodding mind what story you're telling ffs.

I think a "press will have a field day" conversation is possible and been twisted, or it was just a normal convo like happens in families up and down the land. I actually think given the supposedly involved parties it's veering towards a jokey family chat

I haven’t commented for a while but I’ll say what a shitshow. Think the gloves will come off.

Completely agree with this. I also think Meghan is very deliberately burning all the bridges because she doesn't want anything to do with Harry's family or old life. Everything must be on her terms. He's too stupid to see what's going on, or he's just so far down the path now there is no turning back. He's completely lost sight of what reality is, or what the truth is. It's very sad.

Aside from everything, how can H&M not see what these accusations must be doing to the Princess of Wales.

Harry who is so keen to protect his wife, has seen how his mum was treated.
Why is Catherine seen as fair game?

Actually, @StatisticallyChallenged , the more I think about it, the more it makes sense that the "conversations and concerns" might have been in relation to how the press would report on any child of M&H. H's family know he is notoriously thin skinned about the press, and he'd already kicked off about how they treated Meghan (I think he broke with royal protocol when he made a statement to the press about her). I can imagine a well meaning conversation where family was trying to warn him or prepare him for potential comments from the press about his future children's colour. I can see him interpreting this as his family pissing on his happiness and questioning his choice of wife and getting at him, because he is always reverting to victim mode at the merest hint of anything other than undiluted validation. Relaying this to Meghan, she says that having a conversation (about how the press might treat his children), that they wouldn't have with 2 white members of the family contemplating having children is "unconscious bias". They then take this into every other conversation they have with the family about the children (eg about titles).

Jealousy and bitterness that he is not the heir

that is how I see it

H's family know he is notoriously thin skinned about the press, and he'd already kicked off about how they treated Meghan (I think he broke with royal protocol when he made a statement to the press about her). I can imagine a well meaning conversation where family was trying to warn him or prepare him for potential comments from the press about his future children's colour.

@Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar I think this is probably a very likely explanation as well.

Also, perhaps a conversation about how any children wouldn't immediately be a prince/princess due to the letters patent (great grandchildren of a monarch), and therefore, they need to be ready for accusations of racism rather than not realising the situation (which ironically is exactly what Meghan then did..)

The thing is, do many people care? Had the royal 'racist' been revealed soon after the OW interview it would have been headline news but now 2 years later having seen all the shite churned out by Harry and Meghan and having heard from Harry that it was only 'unconscious bias' it all seems a bit irrelevant to me. No doubt the tabloids will try to hype it up but everyone else seems to be a bit 'meh'.

I do think that Harry and Meghan have completely burnt bridges with the RF now (not that Meghan cares), I'm not convinced that either of them wanted an invitation to Sandringham, honestly how uncomfortable would that have been? But it's absolutely obvious now that Harry and Meghan fed stuff to OS or deliberately told friends stuff so that it could be passed onto him.

Please, someone PM me with the name of the second person!

That might not be the case

But then the remaining (highly speculative) interpretation is that changes were made after the original English version was submitted by him. But there's no hint of an official co-author, and the change - if indeed it happened - seems well beyond editorial tidying up.

That´s hilarious 😂Thanks for posting that review!

The problem is there’s just too much bitching. H bitches, M bitches, O bitches, it’s just all too much, too playground, too ‘mean’ girls, too repetitive nonsense. It’s crazy that these three are all middle aged but behaving like childish playground bullies. All the so-called revelations and bombshells are ‘meh’.

Does anyone even care who it is? It’s all nonsense hyped up for money and publicity. I couldn’t care less who the second person is. The more these three bitch the more I support the RF even though I never gave the RF a second thought before H got married and all this nonsense kicked off.

Also, perhaps a conversation about how any children wouldn't immediately be a prince/princess due to the letters patent (great grandchildren of a monarch), and therefore, they need to be ready for accusations of racism rather than not realising the situation (which ironically is exactly what Meghan then did..)

@thebellagio I am sure that Harry would have just kicked off big time at his brother's kids getting different treatment to his (because he cannot stand the fact that they are not equal), not wanting to understand how letters patent work, and would have been casting around as to why (or having the seed planted). I'm not even convinced the RF members would have needed to bring up race for H&M to leap to that conclusion.

So from another reviewer: William comes in for a kicking from Scobie about the Martin Bashir/Diana interview.

Bashir, if you all remember, used false documents suggesting that Diana's royal protection was spying on her, in order to induce her into that interview. When this became public, William demanded the interview never be aired again, said Bashir had contributed to Diana's paranoia, and led her to dismiss her royal protection (the loss of which possibly contributed to her death). He wanted it never to be aired again to protect his mother's memory.

Scobie accuses William of trying to silence Diana and says William is smearing Diana with the paranoia comments - and that William has done the same to Harry. He says William is shutting down the Diana interview to protect the monarchy. He justifies H&M using the Bashir interview in their Netflix series as them being the only ones protecting Diana and honouring her, by giving her a voice.

I don't remember a single time when William has said anything (in public) about Harry's mental health. Harry is the one that talks about his own mental health - and yes, paranoia. How has that landed back on William's lap? How has the Bashir shit show landed back on William's lap? All roads of blame seem to lead to William and Catherine.

I think that if something racist was said then the exact words used would have been leaked as it would have made an excellent reply to “Recollections may vary” which was later attributed to Catherine in another book.
I think that H&M expected the royal racist story to garner more sympathy but misjudged the importance of the actual words used because anybody who’s had a child knows that you discuss physical attributes.
I think that the theory that somebody spoke to Harry about press discussion on Archie’s possible skin tone is very likely. The press could have used one of those sites that hive a photo prediction of what the baby might look like as a light hearted article.
I guess that what was said could be in Meghan’s future biography or something to save for Spare 2/3 even though Harry said he would never discuss details.
The Christmas in Sandringham stories a couple of weeks ago are just bizarre now. Were they laying a trap so that they could enjoy the fact that Charles couldn’t retract an invitation once he knew what was in Endgame?
The only explanation for their collusion is that Omid knows too much and has receipts like messages.

William comes in for a kicking from Scobie about the Martin Bashir/Diana interview.

I'm starting to think that getting a kicking from OS is a badge of honour and shows that you must be doing something right.

So from another reviewer: William comes in for a kicking from Scobie about the Martin Bashir/Diana interview

He says William is shutting down the Diana interview to protect the monarchy. He justifies H&M using the Bashir interview in their Netflix series as them being the only ones protecting Diana and honouring her, by giving her a voice

William's request got a great deal of support, because the way Diana was manipulated into that interview was just hideous (extreme lengths, including faked documents which led her to think there was a huge conspiracy round her, and influenced her actions) and it has been disavowed/condemned from all quarters.

Harry is the only person to have departed from that. He's not "giving her a voice" in the usual sense - he's repeating what she said after extreme persuasion and manipulation. So I don't see his actions as either fair or justified.

It's rather a shame this has come up again as I think it reflects badly on him

The Christmas in Sandringham thing isn't as bizarre when you read Endgame, Harry and Meghan seem utterly clueless why most in the royal family want nothing to do with them

The Christmas in Sandringham thing isn't as bizarre when you read Endgame, Harry and Meghan seem utterly clueless why most in the royal family want nothing to do with them

But how can you be that thick?

The Christmas in Sandringham stories a couple of weeks ago are just bizarre now. Were they laying a trap so that they could enjoy the fact that Charles couldn’t retract an invitation once he knew what was in Endgame?
The only explanation for their collusion is that Omid knows too much and has receipts like messages.

@BoohooWoohoo I think that they genuinely wanted a reconciliation, and didn't realise how much Scobie had used their own words as ammunition. I actually genuinely think they didn't realise they were contributing towards this book - but everything they gave him with full permission was fair game to be used at anytime. The fact they expected this to be published last year during the Spare era, and not 12 months later when tensions had cooled is their own sodding fault.