Omid Scobie's New Book - PART 2

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I'm not sure what is the correct etiquette for carrying on a thread, but here we are. Thanks to @BoxedandRibboned for the original thread.

Original thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4935714-omid-scobies-new-book?page=40&reply=131041571

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67546162
BBC review

I agree with you. If it is vilifying and purely sensational, I might use it to wrap Vinted parcels, at least it'll be environmentally friendly.

There's definitely room for a critical, yet balanced and well-researched book on the current and future role and state of the BRF.

I believe know what you are alluding to, and sounds like this will be precisely the “book” for you. Enjoy.

I'm genuinely shocked by this. I don't believe for one second that it was an accident either.

I’m more shocked that there would be a market that it needed to be translated in Dutch.

Camilla Tominey (associate editor of the Telegraph, but wrongly monikered as their Royal correspondent in Endgame), says that the incident leading to Scobie's conclusion that Sophie and Edward are bigots was a result of an interview they gave to her. CT asked them about the Oprah interview. Sophie said "Oprah who?", not to diss Oprah, but to shut down a conversation about something they were not supposed to comment on.

I dunno. I mean we’re talking about a guy who pays good money to have eyebrows which look like that! 😂. His level of being mortified by his appearance I suspect varies greatly from mine.

I am struggling to comprehend how the now-pulled Dutch version can be a “mistranslation”?

Does it not need to be signed off as finished?

What sort of shitshow are the publishers running? Or is it a contrived smear campaign against KC?

Either way, all sounds rather sleezy.

Was it a very carefully made ‘error’?

I read yesterday (sorry can’t remember where but I’ll try and find the source later) that Scobie said that there was never a version of the book, even a draft, that contained a name. So that’s why it seems to be a mis translation . But I agree, it all seems a bit slip shod

I don’t believe it was an accident either. If you wanted to get the name out to create maximum controversy and heighten publicity for the book, this is a very sly way to do it. I am beginning to wonder if the reports of Harry wanting an invite to Sandringham and reconciliation were red herrings to deflect attention away from them too.

The comment about Oprah by Sophie was clearly tongue in cheek and a deflection, but Scobie thinks its bigotry, just shows what he knows, i..e nothing about bigotry thats for sure.

Lost in translation, as IF that's believable, idiot !

It won't be a mistranslation. It'll be a very good translation of a text that was not the same as the published English version.

But if (big if) it was deliberate, then why?

If cock up, then it's presumably something that was in an earlier English version, but struck out later.

Whichever scenario, it's not good for H&M, because whatever the protestations, no one is ever going to believe they were not involved.

A mistranslation that somehow introduces a name that wasn't there as a key perpetrator?

No, that's not a mistranslation by any stretch.

But of course the Netherlands is so short of people who are totally fluent in English they might struggle and so might in error add something that isn't there ...... oh, hang on

Very true. I suppose this is another version of Scobie’s truth 😂

edited for typo

The Dutch translators just need the proof of the official contractual English language copy given for translation and the sighed contract. There will have been checks along the way and a signing off process. All in a contract and agreed. The translators/publisher should go straight to the lawyers and to court if need be.

Well, everything is the fault of the nasty press, isn't it?

Do you really think they'd use this as the scapegoat for lack of contact?

Major flaw in such a plan is that no-one believes that they are uninvolved in anything that comes from Scobie

It doesn't look like it, because it sounds like the person named isn't the Racist Royal.

Two names were mentioned in the letter MM sent to the King and in the translation it's been wrongly attributed to him. That's why the publishers are scrabbling to pulp it, because it's the wrong person and therefore a definite libel. If it was one of the two others, they wouldn't be as concerned, because Scobie surely has the proof to back up his allegation that it's them, like a photocopy of the letter or message from MM confirming it. 👀

There is no way this was a mistake. You don’t accidentally add a name to a translation, nor do professional translators mix up between plural and singular tenses.

i would bet anything that it was translated correctly, and that the paragraph was changed in the editing process due to legal reasons.

I hope the translator still has the initial manuscript they worked from - I assume they must have for their own professional indemnity.

I find it hilarious how scobie was trying to take down BP but has only succeeded in destroying (and likely bankrupting) himself.

even if the palace doesn’t sue him, presumably the translator would/could because that’s potentially ruined the translators career

The entire passage was about the letter between the King and MM. The English version is so appallingly written that the context is all over the place, so it's actually not hard to see how it's happened. The translator will have assumed, however, that the book would've been edited again. If it was a typical publishing schedule, there should've been at least three more opportunities to catch the error after the translation: copy edit, line edit, proof read.

I agree it was appallingly written.

But I disagree that a professional translator (between two languages which are highly similar and where excellent fluency in English is completely normal) would have been unable to understand it accurately.

The Mail is now saying that both ‘royal racists’ were named in the Dutch copy.

Do they say they have a copy?

If not, what's the source for saying that?

This is what Scobie has stated.

'I wrote the English version. There was no version from me in which names were mentioned.'