Omid Scobie's New Book - PART 2

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I'm not sure what is the correct etiquette for carrying on a thread, but here we are. Thanks to @BoxedandRibboned for the original thread.

Original thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4935714-omid-scobies-new-book?page=40&reply=131041571

I think she may well have conflated the two things, and taken an innocent (if clumsy) comment on skin colour as being an indication why a title and security were being denied (the former because she doesn't understand what letters patent mean)

But Archie wasn't 'denied' anything. He was Earl of Dumbarton from birth, as befits the son of a Duke. His parents chose not to call him by that title, but it was his 'birthright' to use a phrase their supporters like. He also wasn't 'denied security', unless Meghan had expected that a newborn would have his own armed security team assigned to sit around the cot or something?

They are only now Prince and Princess because of the Queen Elizabeth dying. The grandchildren of the monarch get the titles under letters patent. At the time of Archie's and L's birth, they were great grand children and not entitled. W&C's kids got their titles through letters patent as heirs to the heir. Completely different situation to H&M. She said in Oprah they didn't get the titles "against protocol" because of skin colour. That's not the case at all, but I imagine she thought it was unfair Catherine's kids got the titles and her's didn't, so was casting around for a reason rather than trying to understand some history.

Shit, the RF are going to have to address it now, they can't grey rock this one!!!

I'll be surprised if they do, themessygarden
No doubt Scobie dragged in the "racism" thing again for attention, but at the end of the day it's just a rehash of an unsubstantiated claim with no detail attached, and given Harry later made fools of all those who leapt to insist it "proved the RF's racism" I doubt they'll risk the same reaction again

For sale.

Bridge.

Two not so careful owners.

Of course it's libellous! Being labelled a racist is reputationally damaging no matter what your job is.

I don't disagree. It's basically a thicko who doesn't understand his own family practices/laws and an American who thinks she knows better than the establishment and should get what she wants. The security thing has never made any sense.

Technically yes - you can be sued for libel for publishing a defamatory statement just by repeating what someone else said but in practice it’s very rare.

In this case there are thousands of online mentions and there would be no practical way of pursing anyone.

However in this case - I don’t think the bit that’s been ‘accidentally’ published would meet the bar for a libel case.

I know it won’t happen, but can you imagine ‘the Crown v Omid Scobie’ and OS standing in court and confirming under oath that it was H&M who told him who the racist was after all, so totally debunking their cries of ‘it was nothing to do with us! We didn’t cooperate with the book!’

Calm down @Bookworm1111 I really can't see the RF going aftre anonymous posters in MN for repeating something that is all over the interent.

The publisher maybe. But GossipyPoster8999658 not so much.
I'll sleep tonight.

Anyone who says, "It's alleged that Omid Scobie said Charles is the racist in the Dutch version of the publication" is stating a belief of a factual event (the accidental publication, not the racism itself), and would, I believe, have the defence of fair comment on a matter of public interest. I don't think anyone here is saying C is a racist, they are saying OS has said he is. In context, everyone here is saying C is not, and at worst might be guilty of saying something clumsy falling under "unconscious bias" as characterised by Harry.

Don't tell me to calm down, it's patronising beyond words and used to put women in their place.

Fine, glad you can sleep at night. But if MN don't remove mentions, they are opening themselves up to legal action and there could be a trickle down impact. It's happened before.

Has anyone reported the mentions on here?

Honestly though, I think the RF won't be going after anyone unless it's Scobie and his publishers, I doubt mumsnet, twitter and other gossip sites will be on their radar..

They will probably drum up another racist now to keep the blackmail going

need to keep those cheques coming in

Yes, but there are so many I'm not sure I got them all!

I've reported a couple but I imagine MN will catch the rest. They won't want a repeat of Gina Ford!

Looks like the publisher is now saying it was an error in translation.

The whole mess is more damaging to the BRF by not being clear and saying exactly what was said by whom, it continues to implicate all of the senior royals.

No but if he gets sued then Scobie might be looking for someone else to carry the can!

Thanks, that’s interesting, I guess it makes sense now I think about it, but can see why it’s rare - you’d go after the source, and not the gossipers.

I highly doubt we’d see a court case with the king, but I’m sure there’ll be legal letters flying about over the next few days

This sums up my thoughts on it:

Error in translation. Lol.

Well now, that’s an interesting development.

I admit, I am curious as to how the Dutch translator was given a proof of the book to translate that contained that passage. It suggests there was a last minute decision to take that passage out of the book and their checking process managed to miss the fact that it hadn’t been changed in the Dutch version. Which would be … unfortunate.

(a question remains as to how this adds up to two Roysl Racists though?)

I find your attempts to tell everyone else what to do very patronsising and unnecessary and calming down appears to me just what you need to do.

If you are concerned about posts report them and MN can make their decisions about their site. But I don't think individual posters are at risk and need your unsolicited advice.

Well quite @Rinoachicken

About as sinister as blancmange.

I think the 'royal racist' thing has dragged on for so long that frankly nobody much cares anymore. It was shocking at the time, but the time was two and a half years ago. Time for the accusers to put up or shut up.

Plus, given how vague and contradictory the original accusations were, I'm not sure how any official statement could have been issued. Do you know exactly what all your aunts, uncles, cousins and in laws might or might not have said a few years ago? I doubt it.