Double amputee war hero who inspired Prince Harry to start Invictus 'disagrees' with Duke's claim British press did not cover stories of wounded in Afghanistan as Colonel says his popularity is dwindling with veterans

[MamoruHisaishi]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12466191/Afghanistan-war-hero-prince-harry-british-soldiers.html

Oh, so you're saying it's ok to talk about it but not ok to say you didn't get the support you needed? Even though what Harry said was that the people around him couldn't;t help him, not that they didn't. Couldn't. The reason he set this up, is because he knows that vets need each other and people that understand the specific trauma they face, a proper 'support network' as he said. My issue with your perspective is because you don't like him you've framed it a certain way, that its a 'blaming tone'. But there is another way to look at it. I have suffered a lot of depression and have said since, I haven't had the right support when I needed it, thats why its taken so long to get better. Nobody in my immediate family thinks that is an attack on them.

You think its bitterness that drives him, and you think talking about something now he hasn't before means he's a liar. You are putting a lot of demands on him and people like him and how they should talk about their struggles. That kind of talk prevents people from getting the help they need because they fear being judged.

Whether Harry reads this or not, other people with similar problems will and I think the way you put conditions on how we talk about this and how we ask for help, is really harmful.

The main problem with this subject and many others, is mainly that each poster comes from a personal perspective, different things will upset or irritate them and they like everyone else wants to put their opinion forward and discuss with hopefully like minded people.

The problem with this is shouting down and dismissing other's opinions will never change their mind , only calm measured debate can achieve this if at all.

Some will agree some will not , this is human nature, but and it's a big but everyone is allowed their own opinions and to voice them if they wish, if you don't agree, just say you don't agree there is absolutely no need to attack or be personal, if someone posts something I don't agree with, I ignore it !

Also, Harry is a major celebrity, choosing to maintain a very pulic life, and sharing all manner of intimate details with the public. Any criticism isn't "Harry bashing", it's just criticism. If it oversteps the mark and becomes abusive, then it's a problem. However, no-one is above criticism. Even if others think that isn't valid, and that he's just a humanitarian and philanthropist royal with no other agenda.

Very true @Maireas 👍

I'll try and explain my point of view and what bothers me about some of these threads, despite thinking Harry was a twat about many things.

A real life example.

X starts a thread wit a title that reads "Harry says -insert inflammatory thing here-" The Op is a link to an article with similar/same title and a brief note about how awful Harry is. Dozens of comments of how awful Harry is in general, and how awful he is for saying such a thing. Then I read the article and Harry isn't quoted at all, not even once. It someone else's opinion on what Harry might've thought or felt, and their own opinion about that particular subject. Not even a vague "a palace source said that Harry said".

So you tell me , how is that wanting to discuss , looking for opinions etc. and not just an agenda and yes to "bash"?

Even this thread, when you actually look at what Harry said and in what context, and what the media said he said/did. It doesn't add up. But it can be understandable, explained as they actually used quotes from him ,even if deliberately exaggerated.

I had no issues with some of the threads about his book for example, as some of the stuff was indeed stupid and twattish and no need for it and they were his own words.

What about plain lies? Can we count those as bashing?

Plain lies are plain lies.

Lies are lies , regardless of what side of the debate they come from and who says them!

Indeed. Plus, not everyone is on a "side" and can see other issues which contribute to the situation.

Quite right @Maireas , but it seems on here that we just have to have a side apparently!

Or can I add an "agenda " !

As a 51yo woman with a good memory its not difficult to remember seeing all the front pages and fundraising that various papers did. I don't need to read a particular paper to be aware of what they publish.

And I linked the Newsweek article to show the UK media took the story from an original US source. They didn't create the story themselves. I made no comment about the veracity of the story, other than it will be interesting to see the actual viewing figures, send that I'm a bit sceptical about how NF count their actual views.

Good post. I see this very thing often.

I didn't say everyone was on a side

Did I say you said everyone was on a side?

Who said you had to have a side?

I'm not entirely sure what your reply to my post really means @AngryGreasedSantaCatcus , not being stupid but I wasn't technically arguing from one side or another!
Explaining the possible thoughts behind posting.

@Maireas I had said "side" do I don't think it was a huge stretch when you turn mentioned " side"

@jeffgoldblum I was wondering why you think you have to have a side

This is not about you or any particular poster @JamieFrasersfurrysporran , however it is a common feature here !

If you criticise Harry, you're not a Harry basher
Same if you had a criticism of someone else. These threads get so polarised. It's not black and white. I think Harry has behaved in a way that can be criticised. So have other people.

And @JamieFrasersfurrysporran , I don't want to take a side at all !
However I personally have been labelled as an "hater" .
Just because I criticise Harry !
And that was the point of my long and rambling post! 😀

It wasn't that long and rambling 🤣

Well thank you! , I'm still waiting to take your hand 🤚 ! 😉

@jeffgoldblum would you mind if I pm'd you something?