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William and women's football

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Nono22972 · 17/08/2023 13:19

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12413893/amp/Prince-William-not-attend-World-Cup-final-watch-Englands-Lionesses-face-against-Spain.html

One again, William's neglecting women's football. The Lionesses made history. It is the first time that the English team (male or female) reached the World Cup final since 1966. We all know that if the men had reached the final, he would've been there and probably would've brought George with him.

Queen Letizia and her daughter Sofia will be attending. What's William's excuse? You are président of the Football Association.

This is really disappointing but I'm not really surprised. The young generation of royals are such a joke compared to previous generations. Yes, the Queen’s children had their controversies but when it comes to royal work, they always got the job done.

Prince William will not attend World Cup final to watch Lionesses

Prince William will be watching England's first final since 1966 on the television and will not fly to Australia to see the Lionesses compete, Kensington Palace has confirmed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12413893/amp/Prince-William-not-attend-World-Cup-final-watch-Englands-Lionesses-face-against-Spain.html

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Nono22972 · 20/08/2023 19:08

PrincessTigger · 20/08/2023 18:47

Maybe it’s because I don’t have any strong feelings about PW one way or another, maybe you have to really hate him already, but I literally have not even the slightest comprehension what all the fuss is about. People predicting that this is the end? If we change our entire constitution because one bloke didn’t go to a single football match on the other side of the planet (that nobody else seemed to be paying any attention to either) then we are the world’s dumbest country 😂😂😂

I don't think it's necessarily about the football game though. William and Kate are lazy, always have been but the difference between now and the first few years of their marriage is that there were a lot more royals to cover for them.

Now, the Queen and Prince Philip are gone. Prince Andrew was forced to retire from public life. The Duke of Kent retired, Harry and Meghan stepped down. Princess Alexandra is approaching 90 so she'll be the next one to retire, I'm sure.

Our current monarch and his consort are now in their mid/late 70s. Camilla has been suffering from back pains for years now. The Waleses need to step up.
The fact that so many people use the kids' excuse is actually an insult to the millions of working parents out there. They have a full time nanny. All of your kids go to school now. There is no reason why you can't just carry out 3-4 engagements a week while the children are at school.

They are public servants, paid by the taxpayers. Just imagine a president or an ambassador not showing up to work because of the kids. The backlash would be huge. I don't understand why people always make excuses for these 2.

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vera99 · 20/08/2023 19:20

PrincessTigger · 20/08/2023 18:47

Maybe it’s because I don’t have any strong feelings about PW one way or another, maybe you have to really hate him already, but I literally have not even the slightest comprehension what all the fuss is about. People predicting that this is the end? If we change our entire constitution because one bloke didn’t go to a single football match on the other side of the planet (that nobody else seemed to be paying any attention to either) then we are the world’s dumbest country 😂😂😂

It's the cumulative effect of missteps, gaffes and increase in perception that he's not up to the job that will do it for them in the end. It's not one single act taken in isolation. BBC radio news had the King's statement in the headlines.

Harry's mate in the Telegraph doesn't miss a chance to put the boot in....

The Lionesses have done something momentous – and Prince William should have taken his daughter to see it

The team has shown us all what sport can be – and that is something to celebrate
Bryony Gordon
20 August 2023 • 1:41pm

The Lionesses may not have won the World Cup… this time. But it hardly matters, really, when you consider how far they have come, and how much they have done to change the perception of women’s football in this country in the last year or so. For make no mistake: in advancing to the World Cup final just 12 months after winning the European Championships, they have achieved a huge victory for women and young girls all across the country – women and young girls who, just a few short years ago, would have been laughed at for daring to express an interest in the sport.

To understand the significance of today’s game, you have to go far further back than 1966. All the way back to 5th of December 1921, in fact, when the English FA announced a total ban on women playing football, describing the sport as “quite unsuitable for females”, and adding that the practice “should not be encouraged”. It was banned in Wales just a few months later, following complaints from the church, and in the following decade, Spain put a stop to it, saying that football “demanded qualities that were diametrically opposed to those of the women’s bodily constitution.”

The German FA put their feet down in 1955, in order to protect the health of its women and the sensibilities of its men. “In the fight for the ball,” explained the Germans, “female grace disappears, body and soul are inevitably damaged, and the public parading of the body is inoffensive and indecent.”

Back in England, it took until 1971 for the FA to lift the ban, but even then, it kept its distance, allowing a separate organisation to look after the women’s game. It wasn’t until 1993, the year that Mary Earps and Millie Bright were born, that the FA agreed to take on responsibility for the women’s game. But this was hardly the beginning of a golden era for females in football. Indeed, as money poured into the premiership in huge sums during the Nineties, attitudes towards women only got worse. Barely a season would go by without a prominent England footballer being caught in an orgy or a ‘roasting’ scandal. Misogyny was rife, not least on the terraces, where you went as a woman at your own peril.

The arrival of the Wags – the term was coined in 2002 by tabloids – only added to the sense that when it came to football, women were adornments. The 2006 World Cup in Germany was a real nadir – as Victoria Beckham, Cheryl Cole and Colleen Rooney descended on Baden Baden in designer sunglasses, the press obsessed with their every move, the idea that this same media might one day take women’s football seriously seemed almost laughable. If you happened to be a girl, the so-called beautiful game looked pretty damn ugly.

And yet today, both the BBC and ITV broadcast England’s match with Spain. As the mother of a 10-year-old girl who loves watching and playing football, this feels momentous. It feels momentous because it allows my daughter to see women doing exercise for the way it makes them feel, rather than the way it makes them look. It is momentous because it allows us to see women using sport to make their lives bigger, rather than their waists smaller. It is momentous because for so long, sport has felt like a punishment for women, something we have to do to stay in shape and look good and stay attractive to men.

But here, with the Lionesses, we see what sport can be, if only allowed: something that is sometimes joyous, and sometimes heartbreaking, but always about learning and growing and being part of a community so much bigger than yourself.

It’s a shame that the Lionesses didn’t win, but then it is also a shame that for most of the last century, women weren’t allowed to play football at all. It is a shame that the Prime Minister, and the Prince of Wales, who also happens to be the president of the FA, chose not to make the journey to Australia with their own daughters, who might have enjoyed the opportunity to see the Women’s World Cup final, regardless of the final score. England may not have won, but they’ve achieved something just as valuable: the chance for young girls up and down the country to realise that at long last, football is a language they’re allowed to speak, too.

Serenster · 20/08/2023 19:23

Anyway, it will be interesting to compare and contrast at Wimbledon next year and its patron shows up to watch matches. Because obviously plenty of posters lambast it as merely as a jolly. Whereas now we all know it’s absolutely vital for the upholding of the monarchy…

CloudyMcCloudy · 20/08/2023 19:30

Serenster · 20/08/2023 19:23

Anyway, it will be interesting to compare and contrast at Wimbledon next year and its patron shows up to watch matches. Because obviously plenty of posters lambast it as merely as a jolly. Whereas now we all know it’s absolutely vital for the upholding of the monarchy…

I’m sure there won’t be a negative word about it

vera99 · 20/08/2023 19:32

Serenster · 20/08/2023 19:23

Anyway, it will be interesting to compare and contrast at Wimbledon next year and its patron shows up to watch matches. Because obviously plenty of posters lambast it as merely as a jolly. Whereas now we all know it’s absolutely vital for the upholding of the monarchy…

😄+ not flirt or show undue affection for male sporting hunks less tongues wag. Thems the rules.

AliceOlive · 20/08/2023 19:56

Yep, they should leave the nannies to it or better yet, drop those kids into boarding school at earliest age possible and just jet about to international sporting events. They would never be criticized then. Because it’s “their job”.

AnnunciataZ · 20/08/2023 20:03

Serenster · 20/08/2023 19:23

Anyway, it will be interesting to compare and contrast at Wimbledon next year and its patron shows up to watch matches. Because obviously plenty of posters lambast it as merely as a jolly. Whereas now we all know it’s absolutely vital for the upholding of the monarchy…

There was a silly thread on here about Kate and Roger Federer but other than that I didn't see any criticism of her. She's the president of the club, of course she's going to attend!

AliceOlive · 20/08/2023 20:12

There was plenty of criticism on here. I saw it.

WinnieTheW0rm · 20/08/2023 20:12

AliceOlive · 20/08/2023 19:56

Yep, they should leave the nannies to it or better yet, drop those kids into boarding school at earliest age possible and just jet about to international sporting events. They would never be criticized then. Because it’s “their job”.

Well, as the last time England reached a World Cup final was 1966, then I don't think it's a terribly burdensome commitment for the President of the FA to attend.

(Just jetting off to sporting events unconnected to their official positions probably would attract criticism though).

Nono22972 · 20/08/2023 20:12

AliceOlive · 20/08/2023 19:56

Yep, they should leave the nannies to it or better yet, drop those kids into boarding school at earliest age possible and just jet about to international sporting events. They would never be criticized then. Because it’s “their job”.

Please, don't play dumb. No one is saying that they should sent the kids to boarding school.

Many royals are working and raising families at the time. They moved closer to Kate parents. Their parents can easily watch the children for a day or 2 while they travel around the UK.

They don't even need to go that far. All of their kids go to school now. Thy can easily carry out engagements during the day but they don't even do that this much. They often take these 2-3 week breaks every other month. They were MIA for 5 weeks before the coronation week.

We haven't seen them publicly since July 16 and that was the Wimbledon final. Every heir around Europe is working during the summer except William, as usual. They do need to work more.

Millions of people work and raise families with no money and no help

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Nono22972 · 20/08/2023 20:15

WinnieTheW0rm · 20/08/2023 20:12

Well, as the last time England reached a World Cup final was 1966, then I don't think it's a terribly burdensome commitment for the President of the FA to attend.

(Just jetting off to sporting events unconnected to their official positions probably would attract criticism though).

It is his job. He's been president of the FA since 06. Since then, he never attended a youth game and only attended 2 women's games. Nothing more than a hobby for him

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AliceOlive · 20/08/2023 20:26

Nono22972 · 20/08/2023 20:12

Please, don't play dumb. No one is saying that they should sent the kids to boarding school.

Many royals are working and raising families at the time. They moved closer to Kate parents. Their parents can easily watch the children for a day or 2 while they travel around the UK.

They don't even need to go that far. All of their kids go to school now. Thy can easily carry out engagements during the day but they don't even do that this much. They often take these 2-3 week breaks every other month. They were MIA for 5 weeks before the coronation week.

We haven't seen them publicly since July 16 and that was the Wimbledon final. Every heir around Europe is working during the summer except William, as usual. They do need to work more.

Millions of people work and raise families with no money and no help

Why not? Everybody else is doing it.

CathyorClaire · 20/08/2023 20:48

only Edward and Anne escape.

Even apart from the hilarious hissy fit at exhausted reporters damning the ludicrous 'It's A Royal Knockout' with faint praise and the abject failure of his TV production company, Edward has had his moments:

Prince's repairs funded by MoD | UK news | The Guardian

Fortunately for him being spare to an ever increasing list of spares has seen him fly comfortably under the radar.

AnnunciataZ · 20/08/2023 21:06

AliceOlive · 20/08/2023 20:12

There was plenty of criticism on here. I saw it.

Maybe those were deleted. All I can see when I scroll down the RF board is the aforementioned Kate and Federer nonsense thread.

WinnieTheW0rm · 20/08/2023 21:11

Edward and Sophie were absolutely mocked and reviled at the time of quitting the Marines, It's A Royal Knock Out and the fake sheikh - unworthy to be in that position, risking the future of the monarchy etc. And the end of "half in/half out" arrangements - they came back in and it took about 20 years of quietly getting on with it to regain any form of popularity.

Anne was desperately unpopular for a long time, culminating around the time she told the press to fuck off. Again, it was decades of really getting on with it, learning what her charities wanted her to do, and only putting forward her own ideas after a decade or so, that turned the tide of opinion (to the extent that President Kaunda of Zambia nominated her for a Nobel Prize in 1990)

StSwithinsDay · 20/08/2023 21:17

Leonor wasn't there because she has started her 3 years of military service.

vera99 · 20/08/2023 21:18

WinnieTheW0rm · 20/08/2023 21:11

Edward and Sophie were absolutely mocked and reviled at the time of quitting the Marines, It's A Royal Knock Out and the fake sheikh - unworthy to be in that position, risking the future of the monarchy etc. And the end of "half in/half out" arrangements - they came back in and it took about 20 years of quietly getting on with it to regain any form of popularity.

Anne was desperately unpopular for a long time, culminating around the time she told the press to fuck off. Again, it was decades of really getting on with it, learning what her charities wanted her to do, and only putting forward her own ideas after a decade or so, that turned the tide of opinion (to the extent that President Kaunda of Zambia nominated her for a Nobel Prize in 1990)

I think Edward could have turned out to be a Prince Philip with the good bits taken out if he hadn't been the spare squared or something.

Play Prince Edward off, keyboard cat

Edward is convinced that the press will have loved It's A Royal Knockout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZiAWu-IWq0

queentim · 20/08/2023 21:49

LOL at "protocol" preventing William from attending. Please be serious. This random excuse just happened to pop up in tabloids and Twitter overnight. Someone please post a single shred of reliable evidence that this exists, as if it's constitutional as claimed, it should be easy to find.

So basically Will will not visit ANY of the 14 countries until Charles, aged 75 does. Do you think Charles will be zipping around the world visiting these countries in the next year to clear the way for Will to work? 2 years? And this is how long before Will and Kate are expected to do any work, even after rumours of their expected charm tour? Pray tell, how exactly would that work?

If people feel that his current FA role should go to someone else who doesn't have so much red tape and excuses, then it seems perfectly reasonable.

PrincessTigger · 20/08/2023 22:06

StSwithinsDay · 20/08/2023 21:17

Leonor wasn't there because she has started her 3 years of military service.

No excuses, the game was scheduled years in advance, she should have expected Spain to be in it and planned her military service around it, or at the very least she should have deserted & risked court marshalling as she definitely would have done if the men were playing. This is yet another very very strong & non-petty example of Workshy Lilly and portends the imminent collapse of the Spanish crown etc etc etc

WinnieTheW0rm · 20/08/2023 22:24

PrincessTigger · 20/08/2023 22:06

No excuses, the game was scheduled years in advance, she should have expected Spain to be in it and planned her military service around it, or at the very least she should have deserted & risked court marshalling as she definitely would have done if the men were playing. This is yet another very very strong & non-petty example of Workshy Lilly and portends the imminent collapse of the Spanish crown etc etc etc

Is she president of the Spanish FA?

Serenster · 20/08/2023 22:34

She was there last time Spain won the World Cup too, so no excuses! 🤣

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PrincessTigger · 20/08/2023 22:54

Serenster · 20/08/2023 22:34

She was there last time Spain won the World Cup too, so no excuses! 🤣

So she was there when the men won it 😱

AnnunciataZ · 21/08/2023 06:51

The clutching at straws is beyond ridiculous now.

vera99 · 21/08/2023 07:34

On LBC now some passionate woman gushing about the Women's World Cup goes onto to mention that it was brilliantly hosted in a currently Commonwealth country it should have been a no-brainer he was there as President of the English FA as part of the event. Tom Swarbrick is despairing at the optics at this one and thinks he should resign so that someone more engaged can take over the role.

If his well know anger is a thing, I expect he's raging wherever he is because it will no doubt be somebody's else fault not his own. He won't change though now, too old,too set in his ways, the die is cast and with not even a lame excuse of why he didn't attend or Kate for that matter that was "not really" going to a random rave in her neighbour's property.

Texts and emails pouring in saying he should resign in his role. Constitutional protocol my arse. They are making it worse rolling out those sorts of bollocks.

Flag down, Sir when you should have put this one up !

This is what 'protocol' looks like !

Monarchists are in full deflection / whatboutery mode - they know in their hearts this was a critical misstep, more of a feature than a bug.

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vera99 · 21/08/2023 07:38

PrincessTigger · 20/08/2023 22:06

No excuses, the game was scheduled years in advance, she should have expected Spain to be in it and planned her military service around it, or at the very least she should have deserted & risked court marshalling as she definitely would have done if the men were playing. This is yet another very very strong & non-petty example of Workshy Lilly and portends the imminent collapse of the Spanish crown etc etc etc

The cruel logic of your albeit humorous sneer is that William should have been there !

Sarah Vine - Mail today

But it is somewhat galling that the Spanish royal family managed to hit the back of the net by sending Queen Letizia, looking stunning on the day in a fiery red trouser suit, while all our team got from Prince William was a 15-second message of encouragement on social media, filmed alongside Princess Charlotte from a windy bench somewhere. House of Bourbon 1, House of Windsor 0.

Might the presence of the future monarch and president of the FA - after all, the oldest football association in the world - have made a difference to their performance on the day? We will never know. But there's no doubt that having the support of Queen Letizia certainly seemed to mean a great deal to the Spanish team.

Yes, this is sport; but playing for one's country is also a moment of great patriotism, and it's at times like these that institutions such as the monarchy play their part. Our girls should have been represented. They were not.

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