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Omid Scobie writing tell all book

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CosmosQueen · 29/06/2023 07:23

The biographer of the Duke and Duchess of Sussexwarned that his next book will reveal moments that the Royal family should be “ashamed of”.
Omid Scobie claimed he was one of few journalists writing about the Royal family whose work was impartial and “spin-free”

As such, he said his forthcoming book, provocatively titled Endgame: Inside the Royal Family and the Monarchy’s Fight for Survival, would focus on the negative as much as the positive and would shine a light on “unsolved mysteries”
“Endgame not only looks at the successes of our Royal family but also the failures; the things to be proud of and those they should be ashamed of,” he wrote in the I newspaper

Just when will this end? I feel so sorry for their poor children who will have to live with the knowledge that their parents and his obnoxious individual were prepared to do anything to make money.

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tigger2022 · 04/07/2023 08:43

WinnieTheW0rm · 04/07/2023 08:37

I'm a bit Hmm at the idea that MNetters were praising the Queen specifically for coming up with the phrase

Here's a typical comment from the immediate aftermath

"That statement is a masterclass in public relations. It shuts it down and is dignified and classy"

Or posters saying they are "intrigued" by it, or think it's "sly", "code" "naughty" "passive aggressive" "clever" "deliberate" (I've been through a lot of threads via AS, and have tried to cover a range of comments, not just the positive, though I would say that positive is the vast majority - though it's about acumen in choosing a statement of that kind, nothing about specific authorship). Also that it will become a "classic phrase" - which indeed it has.

I don't see any specific praise for the late Queen as author, nor anything else that suggests a belief that she wrote it herself, though it is of course attributed to her because she published it

Yes I’m not sure exactly who is meant when pps say people on MN attributed it directly to the Queen, recollections may vary indeed 🤣

AutumnCrow · 04/07/2023 09:00

tigger2022 · 04/07/2023 08:43

Yes I’m not sure exactly who is meant when pps say people on MN attributed it directly to the Queen, recollections may vary indeed 🤣

My recollection is that it wasn’t MNers - it was the press.

You only have to look at the headlines that were out within hours. MNers, in comparison, seemed to have had a more nuanced grip of attribution and the idea that a statement might be ‘from’ the queen without every single word being directly from her own brain and pen.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/10/recollections-may-vary-how-the-papers-covered-queens-response-to-meghan-interview

'Recollections may vary': how the papers covered Queen's response to Meghan interview | Queen Elizabeth II | The Guardian

Some papers focus on the mild challenge to the Sussexes in palace statement, while others look at the privacy line, or claim support to strip couple of titles

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/10/recollections-may-vary-how-the-papers-covered-queens-response-to-meghan-interview

Oblahbla · 04/07/2023 09:05

MarcelProust · 04/07/2023 08:12

After lipgloss and bridesmaid dresses and now this, Kate sure sound petty af.

Or conversely these were a couple of minor molehilly instances blown into mountainous proportion by the person who really is as petty af. Any normal person would have shrugged the issues off, especially after flowers and an apology, not raked over petty grievances years later.

stillavid · 04/07/2023 09:08

So Kate is petty but the person who decided to publish such stories isn't?

Howsimplywonderful · 04/07/2023 09:29

I’m surprised Harry paid lipgloss so much attention - was he wondering if it was Liz Arden

WinnieTheW0rm · 04/07/2023 09:45

AutumnCrow · 04/07/2023 09:00

My recollection is that it wasn’t MNers - it was the press.

You only have to look at the headlines that were out within hours. MNers, in comparison, seemed to have had a more nuanced grip of attribution and the idea that a statement might be ‘from’ the queen without every single word being directly from her own brain and pen.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/10/recollections-may-vary-how-the-papers-covered-queens-response-to-meghan-interview

None of that coverage says the Queen drafted the statement.

It does however correctly show that the final statement was issued with her full approval, and that the buck stops with her.

Annalisea · 04/07/2023 09:48

Howsimplywonderful · 04/07/2023 09:29

I’m surprised Harry paid lipgloss so much attention - was he wondering if it was Liz Arden

🤣🤣

Milcar · 04/07/2023 10:01

Again, from my experience the way it works is the person at the top has the final say over the general approach (agree with what was said, or detailed rebuttal, or minimal response in order not to get dragged in, or whatever other tack they think best), and the wording.

The relevant staff draft something along the lines of the chosen approach, person in charge accepts in full, makes minor amendments, or rejects it wholesale, or anywhere along that spectrum. The statement gets worked on until the person in charge feels the wording reflects what they wish to say.

So yes, it is shaped by the person in charge, and they are responsible for the statement which goes out in their name.

It doesn't mean that every single word, phrase, sentence has been written by them. That's what Comms staff are for...

So yes, the Queen would have decided (with advice from whoever she chose to consult, staff and/or family) on what overall approach to take. She would have signed off the final wording as being what she wanted to say, and the way she wanted to say it. That, to repeat DOES NOT MEAN SHE SAT DOWN WITH HER BIRO AND WROTE OUT VARIOUS SENTENCES HERSELF.

EdithWeston · 04/07/2023 10:02

BTW If you look at the actual statement (many images of it available online), it begins:

"The following statement is issued by Buckingham Palace on behalf of Her Majesty The Queen"

So yes it's her statement, however it was drafted.

And I expect that the Queen took advice, and considered options before making her choice.

And I think she chose well, the phrase has indeed become a classic (Well, I would say that, wouldn't I? But I don't think I'm being economical with the truth)

Milcar · 04/07/2023 10:06

And I think she chose well, the phrase has indeed become a classic (Well, I would say that, wouldn't I? But I don't think I'm being economical with the truth)

Very good! Alledgedly...

Iwantcakeeveryday · 04/07/2023 10:11

The phrase has indeed become a classic. Its a different way of saying... that didn't happen. Its not a new thing either, people often deny they've been racist, sexist, homophobic.. whatever offensive prejudice thing they've been accused of. We've all been there. Its happened to me since I was young. 'I didn't say it like that', 'she's lying, I'm not a racist', 'well... I remember it different', 'you're being overly sensitive'

Its just a slightly fancier way of saying the above things which have been said to poc since forever....

MarcelProust · 04/07/2023 10:17

tigger2022 · 04/07/2023 08:43

Yes I’m not sure exactly who is meant when pps say people on MN attributed it directly to the Queen, recollections may vary indeed 🤣

I do remember it being attributed on here as no nonsense queen who has seen it all.

So recollections do vary 😂😂

Howsimplywonderful · 04/07/2023 10:20

The Queen would have okayed the statement, she had the final word so everything passed for her to approval, if she thought it was too harsh/not harsh enough it would have gone back with/for revision.

Surely it’s not that difficult to understand ?

MarcelProust · 04/07/2023 10:21

I do remember a scenario where Harry spoke to the queen and she invited him over. When he was supposed to go, he was told that she cannot see him, she's busy.

So he rings her up, and she says "I was not aware, but I'll be busy", to which Harry asks "is there someone in the room with you" as in someone listening or monitoring. The Queen says "yes".

DollyTheFluffyOne · 04/07/2023 10:22

MarcelProust · 04/07/2023 08:12

After lipgloss and bridesmaid dresses and now this, Kate sure sound petty af.

Yes but who brought it into the global view - Meghan. Still as "petty af?"

DollyTheFluffyOne · 04/07/2023 10:23

MarcelProust · 04/07/2023 10:21

I do remember a scenario where Harry spoke to the queen and she invited him over. When he was supposed to go, he was told that she cannot see him, she's busy.

So he rings her up, and she says "I was not aware, but I'll be busy", to which Harry asks "is there someone in the room with you" as in someone listening or monitoring. The Queen says "yes".

Did the Queen tell you this or Harry or other source?

WinnieTheW0rm · 04/07/2023 10:24

MarcelProust · 04/07/2023 10:17

I do remember it being attributed on here as no nonsense queen who has seen it all.

So recollections do vary 😂😂

Of course it was attributed to her!!!

It's her official statement!

That doesn't mean, and has never meant (as has been repeatedly pointed out) that she wrote it without any advice of input from others. But does mean she owned it. Just like anyone who asks for advice before making a course of action is responsible for their choice.

The buck stops with her. The person who put her name to it and published it to the world.

Howsimplywonderful · 04/07/2023 10:26

Perhaps she was tapping out morse code messages to Harry on her rotary phone that she wanted him to be King, or perhaps he was on mushrooms again 😀

Im sure Omid will have the truth 😜

Howsimplywonderful · 04/07/2023 10:39

@MarcelProust

The Queen listens to and takes advice from others, that’s one of the reasons why she was so successful

Perhaps if the Sussex’s had done the same, they wouldn’t be the laughing stock they are now

Howsimplywonderful · 04/07/2023 10:39

listens - listened

Oblahbla · 04/07/2023 10:41

Iwantcakeeveryday, it is indeed a pretty polite way of saying that didn't happen, or it didn't happen in quite the way made out. And, despite your championing of Harry and Meghan and disdain for the rest of the RF, you could, perhaps take minute to think that perhaps, maybe, there might be a different 'truth' than Harry and Meghan's.

MarcelProust · 04/07/2023 10:50

DollyTheFluffyOne · 04/07/2023 10:22

Yes but who brought it into the global view - Meghan. Still as "petty af?"

Nope, Kate via Camilla Tominey - with a lying spin.

Then it was taken from there and no one forgave Meghan for making 'our future queen' cry.

DollyTheFluffyOne · 04/07/2023 10:54

MarcelProust · 04/07/2023 10:50

Nope, Kate via Camilla Tominey - with a lying spin.

Then it was taken from there and no one forgave Meghan for making 'our future queen' cry.

Ah Ok thanks and then it was taken up on the Oprah show. I get it - so leaked by Camilla T and amplified by Meghan.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 04/07/2023 11:05

Oblahbla · 04/07/2023 10:41

Iwantcakeeveryday, it is indeed a pretty polite way of saying that didn't happen, or it didn't happen in quite the way made out. And, despite your championing of Harry and Meghan and disdain for the rest of the RF, you could, perhaps take minute to think that perhaps, maybe, there might be a different 'truth' than Harry and Meghan's.

right back at ya! Unfortunately I have been in too many similar situations as a poc and can identify with Meghan more than any of the royals, who have a history of racism and lack diversity in their family and staff.

MarcelProust · 04/07/2023 11:05

DollyTheFluffyOne · 04/07/2023 10:54

Ah Ok thanks and then it was taken up on the Oprah show. I get it - so leaked by Camilla T and amplified by Meghan.

Amplified by everyone..........till Megan set the story right.

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