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Omid Scobie writing tell all book

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CosmosQueen · 29/06/2023 07:23

The biographer of the Duke and Duchess of Sussexwarned that his next book will reveal moments that the Royal family should be “ashamed of”.
Omid Scobie claimed he was one of few journalists writing about the Royal family whose work was impartial and “spin-free”

As such, he said his forthcoming book, provocatively titled Endgame: Inside the Royal Family and the Monarchy’s Fight for Survival, would focus on the negative as much as the positive and would shine a light on “unsolved mysteries”
“Endgame not only looks at the successes of our Royal family but also the failures; the things to be proud of and those they should be ashamed of,” he wrote in the I newspaper

Just when will this end? I feel so sorry for their poor children who will have to live with the knowledge that their parents and his obnoxious individual were prepared to do anything to make money.

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MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 10:55

Iwantcakeeveryday · 03/07/2023 10:46

Of course not, how could I? I don't control the site? I am commenting on other peoples posts, which is the point of a forum and something you do yourself quite frequently. I am making the point that you are here scrutinising them years after they left and you don't apply the same scrutiny to the current working royals. You don't have to explain why, but its ok for me to comment on the hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy? Here you go, since you're so intent and eager to know my thoughts on the other royals: Andrew is a vile pedophile, I don't like Charles, and I'm not a fan of Camilla either. I like the Wales not because they're royalty but because they have a cute family and they seem to present themselves in a positive light, just like how I feel about the Obamas. So there, is there anything else you want to know about how I feel about the rest of the royals? Or is it that you just can't stand that I don't like the Sussexes (harry in particular), and I post about them here? Once again, feel free to start threads on all those other royals. I'm not stopping you.

Roussette · 03/07/2023 10:56

MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 10:51

Right, she's just creepily observing what I post (like why does it matter?). I consider that policing. I don't bother checking who posts what here because it's frankly none of my business and i don't concern myself with it.

It’s not my problem if nobody is interested. Anyone and everyone is free to post whatever they want, provided they stick with the rules and guidelines. I see there's threads of the Wales marriage and cheating rumours here (like how is that relevant to anyone outside their marriage?), and I don't see the pro Sussex fans going to that thread criticizing people for posting there.

What? Why is reading your posts 'creepily observing'. How rude to @Iwantcakeeveryday

You write very long posts, I often wake up to them and read them. Am I creepily observing lol

As for the Wales marriage, I don't go on there and amplify affair rumours, because it is gross speculation. I imagine they are happy in their marriage and don't believe that sort of nonsense. But why I have to go on there and call out people who do talk about it, I don't know. That is policing threads if you want to go down that route... you don't like policing...

Iwantcakeeveryday · 03/07/2023 10:58

MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 10:55

Hypocrisy? Here you go, since you're so intent and eager to know my thoughts on the other royals: Andrew is a vile pedophile, I don't like Charles, and I'm not a fan of Camilla either. I like the Wales not because they're royalty but because they have a cute family and they seem to present themselves in a positive light, just like how I feel about the Obamas. So there, is there anything else you want to know about how I feel about the rest of the royals? Or is it that you just can't stand that I don't like the Sussexes (harry in particular), and I post about them here? Once again, feel free to start threads on all those other royals. I'm not stopping you.

I think you need to take a breath. It may not be your intention, but I find your posts to me to be unnecessarily aggressive and defensive. I am not eager to know your thoughts. Whatsoever. I am simply adding to the discussion and observing that on a royal board, nobody seems very interested in the royals. That Meghan is scrutinised endlessly, over and over, 5 threads going every day for years. A simple paragraph by you just now certainly doesn't compare to what is put on here about Meghan in terms of volume and scrutiny.

Feel free to not reply to me and my posts, post as you wish to and so shall I.

MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 11:03

Roussette · 03/07/2023 10:56

What? Why is reading your posts 'creepily observing'. How rude to @Iwantcakeeveryday

You write very long posts, I often wake up to them and read them. Am I creepily observing lol

As for the Wales marriage, I don't go on there and amplify affair rumours, because it is gross speculation. I imagine they are happy in their marriage and don't believe that sort of nonsense. But why I have to go on there and call out people who do talk about it, I don't know. That is policing threads if you want to go down that route... you don't like policing...

No, what I find rude is that people here are attacking me because I choose to criticize/post about the Sussexes. I don't go around checking how many times posters here post about certain celebrities. This isn't the first time I've been attacked as well. I frankly find it disturbing that people are keeping track of how many times I post or what I post. That's my opinion, and just because you don't feel the same way doesn't mean you get to dismiss how I feel about It.

As for why you should to go to the wales marriage thread and call the posters out for posting there, well because you and other posters here are calling me out for posting about the Sussexes here? I mean, talk about hypocrisy.

MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 11:08

Iwantcakeeveryday · 03/07/2023 10:58

I think you need to take a breath. It may not be your intention, but I find your posts to me to be unnecessarily aggressive and defensive. I am not eager to know your thoughts. Whatsoever. I am simply adding to the discussion and observing that on a royal board, nobody seems very interested in the royals. That Meghan is scrutinised endlessly, over and over, 5 threads going every day for years. A simple paragraph by you just now certainly doesn't compare to what is put on here about Meghan in terms of volume and scrutiny.

Feel free to not reply to me and my posts, post as you wish to and so shall I.

Likewise to you. You're unusually hurt that people here choose to post about the Sussexes. I criticise harry more because frankly I dont like him. Sorry, his racism and obnoxious behaviour just completely turned me off him. And frankly Meghan deserves better.

MarcelProust · 03/07/2023 11:13

MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 10:45

I couldn't find anything that showed the royal family using their media cronies to ruthlessly punish the Sussexes but I did find this:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-markle-harry-thanked-fan-22526598?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

You have just proven their point though.

That headline is misleading, because Harry and Meghan never praised the person for abusing the royal, it was for raising money for charity.

Also, it's a random person on the Internet, did the article tell you that part? By that I mean really random, without a verified name or anything.

They are the ones who said they got a call, Archewell never said anything about this particular person. Could they be a massive fan with fantasies - it's not like they recorded and shared the call, people just took their word for it, as it's not really harmful that they raised funds, no one really pulled her apart on it.

Could be that Harry and Meghan were touched as it was among the first people to successfully raise funds for their charities and maybe tried to find them and thank you, maybe not. They may not have known about this person's posting history, as they are not famous or anything. I mean the rf, gets loads of offensive things about Sussex dc and parents and they don't even bother to delete them - they have been found to delete anything with 🌹reference in it though.

This is very much unlike the case where a tv personality with loads of followers (Piers) went on TV to tell us that he had been thanked specifically for trashing the Sussexes by the royal family members.

MarcelProust · 03/07/2023 11:22

MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 11:08

Likewise to you. You're unusually hurt that people here choose to post about the Sussexes. I criticise harry more because frankly I dont like him. Sorry, his racism and obnoxious behaviour just completely turned me off him. And frankly Meghan deserves better.

Then you must hate William just as much.

African costume parties "don't worry, we won't be eating crocodile or anything". Telling Africans they reproduce too much while expecting a 3rd child. Helicoptering and private jets while doing earthshot and wanting to mend the earth. Ending homelessness in 2019, then coming back again to do the same in 2023 all while living in 4 palaces.

MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 11:39

MarcelProust · 03/07/2023 11:13

You have just proven their point though.

That headline is misleading, because Harry and Meghan never praised the person for abusing the royal, it was for raising money for charity.

Also, it's a random person on the Internet, did the article tell you that part? By that I mean really random, without a verified name or anything.

They are the ones who said they got a call, Archewell never said anything about this particular person. Could they be a massive fan with fantasies - it's not like they recorded and shared the call, people just took their word for it, as it's not really harmful that they raised funds, no one really pulled her apart on it.

Could be that Harry and Meghan were touched as it was among the first people to successfully raise funds for their charities and maybe tried to find them and thank you, maybe not. They may not have known about this person's posting history, as they are not famous or anything. I mean the rf, gets loads of offensive things about Sussex dc and parents and they don't even bother to delete them - they have been found to delete anything with 🌹reference in it though.

This is very much unlike the case where a tv personality with loads of followers (Piers) went on TV to tell us that he had been thanked specifically for trashing the Sussexes by the royal family members.

How did I prove their point? They accused the royal family of working in tandem with the British press to ‘punish’ the Sussexes without any proof whatsoever, without any proof whatsoever.

Sorry but your claim that piers Morgan going on tv to say that he was thanked by Royal family members for trashing the Sussexes isn't proof either. He could just as well have been lying, or it could have been princess Michael or Fergie or Andrew. It’s not proof that the royal family are working in tandem with the British press to smear the Sussexes. Please try harder.

HebeMumsnet · 03/07/2023 11:50

Morning, everyone. Could we ask to keep posts on this thread to answering the original post, please? The thread seems to have been a bit derailed and is fast turning into a bunfight about who posted what and when. We'd really like to draw a line under all that now and get things back on track.

Thank you Flowers

Samcro · 03/07/2023 14:15

there is no book yet, so how can people discuss it?

Novella4 · 03/07/2023 18:07

Hmm - still thinking about the fact that the public was told that the ‘recollections may vary’ statement was directly from the queen and now we are told that ‘soz no , it wasn’t from queenie at all’
So did the queen actually write / sign / agree to the Camilla will be queen sudden volte face statement ?
And who exactly was wielding all this ‘soft /unelected power while 96 year old Elizabeth declined?
Not allowed to ask ,are we? Not told , are we?
Ps presidents have fixed terms

WinnieTheW0rm · 03/07/2023 18:40

The statement including "recollections may vary" was issued by Buckingham Palace in the Queen's name. The buck stops with her.

The courtier who drafted the statement (and who came up with the phrase) has been named (I'm assuming Low is right on this, as he was prepared to name names). What we learned from him is that the (then) Waleses and Cambridges, as the most senior royals) had a meeting to discuss the draft (or drafts?) before it was sent to HMQ for consideration. That is not surprising.

What is new is the detail that Catherine was in favour of retaining the phrase (on the basis of what assumptions would be made if it, or something like it, were not included). I think giving her the credit for the phrase is going too far, but (if account is accurate) it's an interesting insight into her thinking, and begs the question of what the other proposal/s were and who supported them.

But if the Queen did not support the wording, then it would not have been issued.

Novella4 · 03/07/2023 18:46

Really? Do you have proof of that ?

Milcar · 03/07/2023 18:49

That's standard, isn't it?

If a statement needs to go out at work the Comms person writes it, with input from staff who have the relevant info. Then it goes to the Director or whoever is putting their name to it, and they sign off if they are happy with it, plus they check the list of the people it is going to be sent to. If they want a slightly different nuance they fine tune it. Then the Comms person sends it to the agreed list.

Ultimately the responsibility lies with the senior person putting their name to it. But naturally they listen to their team - who they have employed for their knowledge and skills.

Novella4 · 03/07/2023 18:50

That’s a rhetorical question of course .

You have no proof at all.

The facts are that the public was led to believe that Elizabeth made statements - we now know she did not

How many other ‘statements ‘ have been issued by courtiers / Charles pulling the strings ?

Another disgrace and one which will build once people realise what is actually happening here

Novella4 · 03/07/2023 18:54

@Milcar

Lol.

But we are sold the Windsors as the ‘special family’ and Lizzie as the nation’s mother …
Lizzie was speaking from the heart when addressEd this crucial issue of racism in the monarchy etc

except she wasn’t speaking for the heart at all was she ??
Harry has told us how the courtiers operate.

I ask again- who exactly is pulling the strings here ?

AutumnCrow · 03/07/2023 18:56

Milcar · 03/07/2023 18:49

That's standard, isn't it?

If a statement needs to go out at work the Comms person writes it, with input from staff who have the relevant info. Then it goes to the Director or whoever is putting their name to it, and they sign off if they are happy with it, plus they check the list of the people it is going to be sent to. If they want a slightly different nuance they fine tune it. Then the Comms person sends it to the agreed list.

Ultimately the responsibility lies with the senior person putting their name to it. But naturally they listen to their team - who they have employed for their knowledge and skills.

Yes, standard. In a former role, a Comms Team would prepare press releases complete with quotes 'from me' already written. I could leave them in, alter them, or remove them completely. It was accepted that what remained, I was responsible for and had taken ownership of.

AutumnCrow · 03/07/2023 18:58

Of course having said that, the Comms Team met with board members regularly and directly and knew the kind of stuff we wanted. They didn't just fly blind, chucking out random press releases. They took a lot a lot of guidance away from meetings.

Howsimplywonderful · 03/07/2023 18:59

@Novella4

I’ve really bad news for you

CEO’s, presidents etc don’t write their own speeches but they okay them/deliver them, sorry if you thought they wrote all their own announcements/speeches too on their own.

Jason Knauf helped Meghan write the letter to her dad to tug at the public’s heart strings. It was deemed her letter belonged to her in court 🤷‍♀️

smilesy · 03/07/2023 18:59

Harry has told us how the courtiers operate

Did he find out from the talking bins? 😂

Oblahbla · 03/07/2023 18:59

'Another disgrace and one which will build once people realise what is actually happening here'

'I ask again- who exactly is pulling the strings here ?'

Bit of hyperbole there.

The Queen has speechwriters, as does the PM, and many others with a high public profile - I think we're all aware that the Queen didn't sit down and write her Christmas message herself. She will have had input herself, taken advice, ultimately approved the final draft. The statement made after Harry and Meghan's programme would have been a collaborative effort and surely, obviously, family members would have had to have been happy with the statement.

Novella4 · 03/07/2023 19:04

You are all ( deliberately) missing the point .

Im well aware how statements are drafted in public institutions.

But this is the precious ‘royal ‘ family ( sarcasm) . Emphasis on the family and the cult of personality built over decades.
The queen was praise fro the skies for her wily wording of ‘ recollections May vary’
ONLY Elizabeth and her years of experience could have handled this we were told

but it was untrue .
Now you say it was a committee .
we’ll have they all been handed the nation by God too?!
Have they been coronated ?
Who are they ? How much power do they have ?
And if they are running the show can we get rid of the Windsors and save billions ? ( more sarcasm )

MrsFinkelstein · 03/07/2023 19:07

Novella4 · 03/07/2023 18:07

Hmm - still thinking about the fact that the public was told that the ‘recollections may vary’ statement was directly from the queen and now we are told that ‘soz no , it wasn’t from queenie at all’
So did the queen actually write / sign / agree to the Camilla will be queen sudden volte face statement ?
And who exactly was wielding all this ‘soft /unelected power while 96 year old Elizabeth declined?
Not allowed to ask ,are we? Not told , are we?
Ps presidents have fixed terms

When and who told us it was said directly by the Queen?

It was an official statement from BP, but no one has claimed HMQ wrote it??

You don't honestly think she wrote all her speeches and public statements?

Obviously it's a communications team that draft statements and it's signed off.

Does no one know how things work in actual real life nowadays??

MrsFinkelstein · 03/07/2023 19:08

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Oblahbla · 03/07/2023 19:09

Novella4, do you think the same about the speechwriters for the PM? How much power do they have?Are they running the show - should we get rid of parliament too?

It could be that a conversation was had about how to respond to the programme, at some point the Queen said 'I have a varying recollection of what happened', and the phrase was used in the formal response.

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