Harry - what next?

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Continuation thread for all things Harry, Meghan and all things Archewell.

welcome back everyone!

@Labradorandshiraz Beatrice and Eugenie were children of the son of a monarch. If Meghan and Harry had children after Charles ascended to the throne, they would have been born Prince and Princess.
You need to refer to George V Letters Patent.
Nothing to do with the titles of Archie and Lilibet being somehow withheld for racism purposes.
This has all been explained.

I literally don’t know what just happened 😂😂😂😂 I was replying to a different tweet on a different thread and WHOOSH

😂that's ok! I did wonder what had happened!

This is not a first I think MN HQ are conspiring against me

Anne's children were/are not entitled because she was a daughter of the Sovereign, not a son

And how pathetic is that in this day and age

Well quite, which is why the law of primogeniture was changed.

But titles still can't be passed down the female line.

So, unless the current rules are changed, when William becomes king, George and Louis' children will be prince or princess, but Charlotte's will not.

True. I wonder if that changed if it would affect non royal duchies 🤔

I suspect it will change again in future - just as Edward got the Dukedom of Edinburgh as a life peerage and not to be passed on. No more Dukedoms on marriage for the sons, so no titles to pass on forever.

The HRH Prince/ss title stops with the grandchildren of the Sovereign anyway. Maybe they'll get around to changing that, maybe Edward and Sophie will be followed in not using it.

They don't seem to do things retrospectively (sensibly - that would raise all sorts of questions) so probably titles granted to be passed on to male heirs will just carry on until the male heirs run out and the title becomes extinct.

Anne is in her 70s so born in the 40s, women were along way from being equals.
With 3 younger brothers she knew her children would be far down the pecking order. Despite being the oldest DGC.

I think the Queen may have offered to change things so Anne's children could be titled but Ann and her DH at the time didn't want their DC to titled.

By the time W&K married they needed to make sure any daughters didn't meet the same prejudice as Ann.

So instead of just the oldest son, of the oldest son, of the PoW, they changed it so all the children of the oldest son of the POW.

To be honest the RF must be greatful that C&D only had boys, I think it would have been very embarrassing if a DD had been jumped over by a younger DS.

It’s extra unfair considering how old Anne was when her younger brothers were born.

Give them time and that will change.

Although Charles doesn't look as fit as his parents did at the same age. The odds of him seeing his Great-grandchildren is probably quiet low.

Yes, Anns a bit of a raw deal but at the same time, would it really have matter if she was before Andrew and Edward?

None of their children were / are expected to become working Royals. Although Harry has left a gap that may need to be filled by a cousin or two.

It would be very different if she was older than Charles and Charles had knocked her out of place.

I expect that they will follow the lead of most European monarchies, and restrict royal titles to the children of the heir only. So neither Louis' or Charlotte's children would be prince or princess.

But who knows?

I have fallen down an internet rabbit hole of dukedoms.

The most recent (non-royal) to become extinct were Portland (extinct 1990) and Newcastle (extinct 1988).

Queen Victoria upgraded the Earl of Fife to a Duke after he married her grand-daughter Louise (daughter of the QV's successor Edward VII). When Louise and her husband only had daughters (the tragedy!) QV created a second Dukedom of Fife that could be passed to the daughters and then to their male heirs.

So, it has been done. But I suspect is unlikely to be done again!

I think Charles and Camilla look awful to be honest. Much older than they are.

• Essenriallt the ad hoc chsnfe to the 1917 letters patent meant that they fast tracked Charlotte, Louis & George so they could get their titles at birth despite not being Grand children of the sovereign but great grand children.
• Arguably if C, L & G had an exception made to fast track their titles, why didn’t the Sussexes also get this same exception to the letters patents and get their titles as great grandchildren of the heir not grandchildren ?

• the Cambridge children if this exception wasn’t made would also have had to wait until QE2 dying to be Prince and princesses.

• my point is therefore that it was unfair to speed up the process and make exceptions to the rules for one brother and not the other.

Quote from this article on constitutional law
“With hindsight, using an ad-hoc solution to mitigate the effects of the 1917 Letters Patent, with the Cambridges but not the Sussexes, is one aspect of the allegation of racism that the Duchess has raised against the monarchy. This could have been avoided had the 1917 Letters Patent been updated when the Succession to the Crown Act 2013 was enacted. Indeed, at the time, it was reasonably foreseeable that, one day, Prince Harry would marry and start a family”

Apologies that has so many typos, I’m tired & on my phone.

Arguably if C, L & G had an exception made to fast track their titles, why didn’t the Sussexes also get this same exception to the letters patents and get their titles as great grandchildren of the heir not grandchildren ?

It's possible that I and others just might have pointed this out previously, but William's children are the children of a future king. Harry's are not.

And I thought you were going to bed?

Labrador, do you understand the hierarchy? That William and Harry are not of equal status in the royal family? And they weren't equal before Harry left?

Yes, why is Peter Phillips not a prince?

Or August Brooksbank?

Or little Jimmy down the road?

It's so unfair! They should have changed the letters patent to make every little boy in the land a prince! That would be fair, wouldn't it?

Charlotte and Louis are children of the heir. They will be son and daughter of a king, and then brother and sister of a king. Not sure how many ways to phrase that.