The trials and tribulations of Harry - thread 2

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Continuation of

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4812092-ph-lost-bid-to-challenge-for-right-to-pay-home-office-for-his-security?page=10&reply=126688485

Jane Kerr will be interesting, although Harry has already implied that she is a liar 😱

I'm feeling quite uncomfortable reading through Harry's responses. The bloke's a numpty for sure but his lack of awareness and poor judgment are pathological, surely?

Whatever of the outcome of this case, it's not going to resolve Harry's trauma.

Harry turns to judge to make plea about press

David Sherborne, for the claimant, asks Prince Harry if he believes he was "speculating" when he said unlawful information gathering took place for a story about him being banned from service in Afghanistan

"No, I do not," Harry responds

He then turns to the judge again, saying: "My lord, my whole life the press have misled me, covered up their wrongdoing.

To be sitting here in court knowing that the defence has the evidence in front of them, and [MGN lawyer Andrew] Green saying I'm speculating... I'm not entirely sure what to say about that."

Oh dear.

He’s directly telling the judge it’s unfair that MGNs lawyer doesn’t believe everything he says without question 🤦‍♀️

Asked if he was aware of any evidence to show (hacking), Harry says: “No, that’s part of the reason I’m here, my lord”

Head ... wall

As a PP said, someone needs to sit him down and get him to focus on some sort of reality, but since nobody else seems to have managed it so far I see no reason to suppose his legal team would be any more successful

This is all very strange. Its all about Harry's perception and no hard evidence.

When does this all end? When will Harry just leave all this behind and move on - I actually think he can't as it's consumed him - he really needs something else to give meaning to his life

Asked if he was aware of any evidence to show (hacking), Harry says: “No, that’s part of the reason I’m here, my lord”

But that is mad. Surely if he's admitting he has no evidence there is no court case!?

Maybe he thinks other witnesses being asked under oath will provide it?

How long does the trial go on for? Then will we have to wait six months for the judge to deliver his verdict?

I think I’ll tune back in at the end, as I think it goes on for a good few weeks

There is fairly strong circumstantial evidence, or at least that’s his team’s argument. Whether that’s enough is up to the judge.

He doesn’t have to show proof that ‘X hacked THIS voicemail on THIS date for THIS article’. Good job because he’d never be able to.

I'm baffled by that comment. Does he expect that he rolls into court and all the evidence is going to be laid out for him so he can just point the finger and say 'There! see what I meant?!'

Bloody hell. I'd be learning morse code.

I'm not condoning hacking, but don't most people leave messages saying please call me back?

I mean if you are worried about privacy, you don't spill your guts in an answerphone message or give your number to someone known for leaving verbose messages.

I don't get it.

It’s a bit ironic that he himself published texts between his wife and Kate isn’t it?

I think this case is showing his mental state, which is highly paranoid. He expects everything he believes, to be believed by everyone else. If I was worried about hacking I'd turn off the voicemail, and tell people to text me 'please call' or some such.

It was a good few years back so voicemail was widely used and it was not well known how easy it was to hack into voicemails. People would just leave the default pin code so all you needed was someone's number.

Totally off topic, but voicemail access wasn't included in my free minutes (ie. Accessing my voicemail cost me money). I never left voicemails, I would missed call and then send a text.

Just as well I'm not famous!

Totally off topic, but voicemail access wasn't included in my free minutes (ie. Accessing my voicemail cost me money). I never left voicemails, I would missed call and then send a text.

I'm the same. I've always switched off voicemail, years ago because retrieving them cost money on a PAYG and nowadays because I don't think they're included in my bundle. I've always taken the view that if it's urgent someone will either try again or text (or Whatsapp these days).

Do you have to pay extra for voicemail nowadays?

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I’m not sure that Harry presented enough convincing information.

I’ve been an expert witness in Scotland (civil court) and in judgement the quality of evidence given was specifically referred to - does anyone know if this will happen when a judgement is given? Will each witness and their testimony be referred to?

His perceptions are akin to those of prisoner-of-war who has been holed up in a hardcore facility for two years where somebody has had him under total mind control. He has been fed a painful version of his own life which is far removed from his spontaneous recollections. One where he was constantly a victim, paranoid about dangers lurking in every corner and forever running scared. I hope he hasn't fallen prey to an unscrupulous therapist who will hold him down inside a dark place and keep him there because he is a nice, little earner.

Sorry! Fat fingers.

Personally, I have no doubt that Harry was the victim of some hacking of his phone or someone else’s with a view to accessing info about him. I don’t think it was as widespread as he is alleging, but if I were sure it had happened to me even once I think I’d doubt everything. If those details were published in a newspaper, it wouldn’t take much to tip me into paranoia.

I can understand the urge to want to “set the record straight” with a memoir. Moehringer says Harry felt jubilation and relief when Spare was published as he finally had his truth out there.

To now expose himself as directly contradicting some of what he said in his memoir and elsewhere; to have gone on record as saying his memories in Spare may not be accurate but still expect people to believe them much as he has in court this week; to give the sort of testimony he has which didn’t once say “I wish I had hard evidence but at least I can show that there’s literally no other way this info could have been out there than by hacking/blogging/ whatever” and to instead say “I have no idea, you have to prove your innocence, it’s not on me to prove your guilty, it is so because I say so”…. There’s no intelligence, or logic, or humility, or scope for self-doubt, or reflection beyond the depths of his own misery. It’s like he’s cosplaying an anti-tabloid figurehead. Like Meghan is prone to doing, he’s play-acting at activism with his spoken intentions while with his actions (like Meghan’s with hers) he’s just as guilty of the very same sins himself.

The Jane Kerr stuff was beginning to be interesting. I think Harry was the hors d’oevre. They are now laying on the meat and potatoes of the case. Harry has testified to the damage he feels uIG / hacking has done to him, and the stories for which he felt it could /must have been utilised. Sherborne will now come behind him and layer on more and more circumstantial or perhaps even solid evidence to show that Harry’s take is likelier than not.

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