PH lost bid to challenge for right to pay Home Office for his security

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I've probably garbled that, but that's the gist of it.

Will has been in public shouting at a man - a photographer following him and filming him and his family whilst out on a bike ride, what should William have done stand, smile sweetly and pose for pictures?
He throws things at Kate when they're fighting - where did you witness this?
He punched Harry - I thought Harry said it was a push, and Harry fell into a dog bowl?
He shouted and pointed his finger in Meghan's face - according to Harry, recollections may vary.

Of course PH wants the British (and all other countries) taxpayers to pay for his security - what do you think the JR about RAVEC is aimed at achieving? @behaveasbefitsthesituationwillyas

you don't see any inherent conflict in letting wealthy people pay for UK police protection - a Russian oligarch with ties to Putin could do the same then?

Good summary!

I’m genuinely interested in what your thoughts are then @skullbabe , because even looking at this with natural sympathy for someone who clearly has deeply ingrained issues around personal security and risk in this case Harry:

• Filed this claim after he’d already filed his first claim challenging the decision not to provide him with permanent security in the UK as of right
• Filed it with the benefit of legal advice, from a competent team of lawyers
• Filed it against the Home Office, knowing full well that taxpayers money would be spent defending his application
• Filed it either not knowing or not caring that it was setting a harmful precedent for future cases
• Filed it either not knowing or not caring that it was wasting the courts’ resources and time (they exist to perform a public service, they are not there to further personal vendettas)
• Filed it knowing that even in the worst case scenario, and he loses both his judicial review claims, he will still receive personal protection if RAVEC determines the threat to him or his family warrants it.

Given the above, I find it hard to see how even a supporter of Harry would consider this a lawsuit that he was right to undertake. You clearly don’t agree so it would be interesting to understand why.

You don't seriously believe that armed police should be available for private hire by wealthy private citizens, do you?

1. he wasn’t shouting
2. no evidence
3. only Harry’s word - and we know he lies
4. ditto

there is actual evidence of Harry’s bad temper. And numerous photos of him looking murderous.

I read the Bunty as a kid. It doesn’t make Nurse Nancy real

next thing you will be telling me St Elmo’s doesn’t exist.

Ok, as Harry is allowed to pay... Then so is Meghan if she travels alone...and her mother actually as she travels with her...

Where does it end?

The police can't be for hire... They just can't!

Life is a bastard TrashyPanda 😉

Apparently at the party with the Nazi costume there were people there dressed as KKKs.

Oh dear, I think you’ve fallen for fake news on twitter!

British photographer Alison Jackson is well-known for taking spoof photos of the Royals using lookalikes, carefully photographed from the angles where they look most alike to capture intimate snaps of, say, “Camilla” riding “Charles” like she’s on a horse dressed in suspenders with a riding crop, and “Kate” giving birth while “William” snaps a selfie etc. There is also one of “Harry” at the infamous party dressed in a Nazi uniform and dancing with a KKK-white hood wearing person. And a Black and White Minstrel. Needless to say, it’s not real.🤣

It's a. F'ing joke!!! 😂😂😂
They pay for awards and network to become friends with the idiots who decide who gets them ... everyone knows this- she got it for the dullest Me-AGAIN fest ... it was simple terrible! Gracie Allen just roll over and ignore it this year

@FloofCloud where's evidence that she's paid for her award?

I'm really curious if they were to charge him just how much would it cost. You would presumably need a squad of police protection officers available only to him whenever he came over, so you would have to have those people on standby all the time. Hes already been given protection for Royal events hes invited to just not when he wants to come to the UK for other things so presumably you would have to have people on standby 24/7.

Then theres the cost of the intel and technology that the protection officers would use how would you apportion costs for that. Like if they said to him, its £20m a year flat rate , there is no day rate and this applies to the UK only would he be in a position to pay that?

I think its a really precedent, just think of central London in the summer and all the super cars, how many of those people are Royals in their own countries and maybe International Protected Persons and would be willing to hire the Met as their personal bodyguards for a few months and have outriders and streets closed down whenever they wanted to go through the city

It's simply a ridiculous concept that you can pay for armed police protection just because you are wealthy. Surely even Harry, with his huge sense of entitlement, couldn't believe that would even be possible?

We are still waiting for your evidence that William throws things at Kate.

*He already pays for private security in the US, it's not an issue because they are allowed to carry guns. Private security in the uk aren't allowed to do that.

He's not asking for the public to pay for met police in the UK, he wants to pay for it himself. Personally, they should have let him pay the police, surely that money could do some good, i.e. hire more police officers or something?*

No. He's a public citizen. Then anyone rich enough could do it. Our police are not for hire.

He also said that UK police would have the latest intelligence. I guess that he's so paranoid now that he thinks that any security threat wouldn't be forwarded to his team.

I guess that he's so paranoid now that he thinks that any security threat wouldn't be forwarded to his team

Or that they wouldn't act on any known threat because they don't want to spend the money on him

In fact if the Ravec case doesn't go his way either, it wouldn't surprise me if he claims to "know about some threat" where they allegedly did exactly this ...

He's not asking for the public to pay for met police in the UK, he wants to pay for it himself.

Actually he is asking for the British public to pay for his protection. That's what his original judicial review is about.

@behaveasbefitsthesituationwillyas - $1m to sit on the top table with the clowns ... that's a real money spinner! I recall they've donated some archwell money for a new award category of one of the foundations they've schmoozed their way into getting a 🏆 ... yet in reality they've sone sweet FA themselves except jump on bandwagons, cream off established organisations they've chucked a few dollars at to piggy back off their years of hard work - they are like leaches to be frank

Pure stupidity for the monarch not to provide security for his own child.

What had Meghan actually done to warrant these awards? Meanwhile Sophie is in Iraq.

The Duchess of Edinburgh has made a surprise visit to Iraq as part of her work championing the survivors of conflict-related sexual violence.Sophie has spent two days in the capital Baghdad, where she heard about the challenges facing Iraqi women and girls, and the ongoing work to protect and promote their rights, Buckingham Palace announced.
The previously unannounced trip, which was kept secret for security reasons, was made at the request of the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office, in support of the Women, Peace and Security Agenda (WPS), the Palace said.

He's not asking for the public to pay for met police in the UK, he wants to pay for it himself.

It’s also worth noting that his offer to pay only came after he filed his first judicial review proceedings against the Home Office seeking to overturn their decision not to provide security, i.e. very much after the event.

Also, Harry’s security in the UK wasn’t removed. He removed himself from it.

His 'child' found freedom in California.

And the monarch doesn't issue decrees about who does and does not get security. Harry has a special status whereby his security needs will be assessed on a case by case basis. Should the risk assessment consider there to be a need for full armed security, he will get it.

Sounds more than reasonable to me.

When the child is an adult and has plenty of his own money, why should he?