PH lost bid to challenge for right to pay Home Office for his security

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I've probably garbled that, but that's the gist of it.

@mixedrecycling , yep! Good advice.

Isn't there some sort of contemporary court record of what was said? There is in criminal trials, I think? So a transcript should be available at some point?

I’m not sure about England, @mixedrecycling.

my experience was all in the Scottish judicial system.

@Sweetpeasaremadeforbees

You are right about social media and its ability to fuel malicious rumours. Harry and Meghan will know all about it because, just like the William affair story made its way here, the stories about surrogates, fake pregnancies and moon bumps etc that start on social media often make their way here. I find those stories much more damaging than whether William had an affair because they affect small children, who are lampooned daily, their features scrutinised, called fake babies etc. Entire You Tube careers have been built around these conspiracy theories.

And it doesn't help that UK journalists like Angela Levin have retweeted some of this wackiness.

I imagine this is part of why Harry is one of the Aspen Institute Commissioners on Disinformation. Disinformation is a global problem, and the reach of social media makes it more than a one nation issue.

You may be interested in reading Peter Pomeranstev's brilliant work on the subject, particularly if you are interested in social media, fake news, and how they are affecting democracy.

That said, the traditional UK media is still a problem for celebrities and the royal family, in how they gather and have gathered stories. There was a famous incident involving George a few years ago where he was followed in a park and Williams office had to issue a statement.

These cases are important to stop any further backsliding ...

You don't seem to need evidence, you just plant a little rumour and let it spread

that’s true.

however, there is one advantage, which is that many more viewpoints are available on SM and may be able to clarify misleading information/propaganda.

we all need to be aware that any PR statement put out is always biased.

to ignore that is a near catastrophe.

You are right about social media and its ability to fuel malicious rumours. Harry and Meghan will know all about it because, just like the William affair story made its way here, the stories about surrogates, fake pregnancies and moon bumps etc that start on social media often make their way here. I find those stories much more damaging than whether William had an affair because they affect small children, who are lampooned daily, their features scrutinised, called fake babies etc. Entire You Tube careers have been built around these conspiracy theories.

I disagree, I think that all the stories are damaging because there are plenty of idiots out there wanting to believe them or use them to create general chaos in the world.

I have no interest in reading more about it actually because I find it pretty depressing. I avoid Twitter, Insta, Tik Tok etc and barely use FB just because it's full of vacuous shite.

Harry must know that the real battle is with SM. I don't think he is the brightest spark and it will be interesting to see how he deals with questions from the defence barristers.

I’m not sure how the microphone thing can be true - the judge needs to be able to clearly hear Harry’s answers, as well as all the other legal teams in the room and the court transcript person - I don’t see that they can do without a mic

That makes perfect sense, @Rinoachicken

Hi all,
Please let's keep this thread on-subject today in order that it might stay up. We will take action if we come to believe deliberate derailing is going on.

Obviously, if you are not interested in learning more about whet they are doing, that's up to you, just don't post ignorant statements when you don't actually know what is happening.

Give it a rest. I didn't insult you so don't start on me.

@Sweetpeasaremadeforbees , ignore and carry on posting about the case , the thread will be taken down.

Yes you're right, I fell for it.

I suspect getting the thread deleted is the aim. One of the reasons I don’t post as much and skip certain posters comments.

Harry will soon regret instigating this case, I suspect

The Aspen Institute kind of proves my point though, it’s not about “misinformation” as in vaccine misinformation or libel… it’s about tittle tattle that Harry wants to be presented a certain way. He’s an activist for himself.

Also the trial all seems really outdated. He’s going on about things that might have happened when Princess Diana was alive and when Michael Barrymore was a household name. There doesn’t seem to be a massive point in bringing the case now, other than he has a vendetta against the tabloids, the freedom to settle old scores, and I guess MGN haven’t done anything else he can sue over recently.

Interesting point @tigger2022 , it does seem odd to bring Diana and M Barrymore ( of all people!) into this case now ?
Not sure what relevance they bring to the case.

BBC say he’s just arrived

Do you think Spare could be brought up in the court case? I am not a lawyer so I don’t know if hypocrisy ever plays a part in cases like this, but sometimes I think in libel it can limit damages paid (like, how much damage can X really have done when the claimant themselves shows a flagrant disregard for people’s private lives?)

Reading your post, @tigger2022 I'm starting to wonder if this is as much about 'rescuing' his mother from the tabloid treatment of her as it is about him for Harry. It's starting to look slightly pathetic (and I mean that in the proper sense of the word) that he's bringing all these court cases. Someone suggested (might have been on here) that with the car chase that wasn't he might have been attempting to align himself with his mother and what she went through, and the court cases feels like 'well she couldn't defend herself so I'll do it for her.'

He does come across as utterly consumed by this and that can't be good for him.

Yep!