PH lost bid to challenge for right to pay Home Office for his security

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I've probably garbled that, but that's the gist of it.

@MayQueeen - I agree, he’s a huge hypocrit.

but his popularity has plummeted, here and in the USA. He complains about his image through BP PR - but they did a much better job, cos everyone liked him!

once we hear his truth and his words, we can see how immature and unpleasant he is.

and seeing him behave in this high-handed manner is another crack in the crumbling veneer

There’s more than one bottom line in this trial, I think. For me, it’s unquestionable that tabloid hacks have indulged in acts which either crossed or get extremely close to crossing the line in terms of legality. Definitely unethical practices. That much I agree with and I support Harry and all the other plaintiffs / claimants in rooting this out. These media corps have very deep pockets and their lawyers have sharp practices, though, so I doubt they’ll actually be called to heel.

I just don’t think Harry, the claimant, has the case he thinks he does. He’d like to be the one who roots this terrible behaviour out. I think the fight gives him purpose. But he has flaws in his arguments and you have to ask if that won’t undermine the cause. Maybe it will buy the tabloids more years of dubious practices.

Moreover, times and technology have changed. Who uses phones any more for actual voice calls? It’s WhatsApp, text, video calls. I guess they’re hackable too, but the days of journos lurking in bushes in dirty macs with microphones are long gone. Harry’s case seems to be about undoing past wrongs, not raising standards for the future. I just don’t think he’s got what it takes to spearhead a root and branch change. And in any event, he’s just a tiny ant compared to the giant insatiable public appetite for gossip and the media corporates that feed that.

‘once we hear his truth and his words, we can see how immature and unpleasant he is.

and seeing him behave in this high-handed manner is another crack in the crumbling veneer’

a very fair assessment. Maybe that’s why his wife has now started backing off a little bit. He’s a loose canon. Self righteousness and hubris - we all know how that usually ends

I do think Harry is off to a weirdly poor start. Where's the focus? It's bloody annoying in so many ways as I'd love someone to stick it to the offshore billionaires who own the majority of the UK's print media and influence so much of our culture in the asinine and toxic way that they do.

But Harry isn't the one.

sheworemellowyellow

you’ve hit the nail on the head! Agree completely

@TrashyPanda - hands up for a PM too please ✋👍

He is and yes I think he has always been like this. I don’t think he has ever realised that most people in certain circumstances they have to shut and do what they are told.

I don’t however think they re all like this. Queen wasn’t. Neither was Phillip really. I actually think William isn’t. Anne and Edward and families definitely not. Not B and E either. I think Charles is a bit. Definitely Andrew. Margaret oh yes.

Does anyone know how long the case is scheduled to last for?

Sussex vs Jarndyce

@AutumnCrow - nice one!

The poster above who said these court cases give him a purpose is right. He just has nothing to do so spends his time in outrage and taking offence. Not that the press isn’t odious and underhanded .. it is. However he’s on a one man crusade to save the world from hypocrisy and greed, whilst failing to realise he himself is the biggest example of how not to be from a moral standpoint.

Oh they are foul. And they will have hacked. Whether his case is strong enough who knows.

You can’t take them on, not like he is doing…like a spoilt child. Plenty of other people have done it in much more constructive ways but they are still vile and you are best ignoring them.

On the Monarchs birthday they have trooping the colour and other events that take place outside. A lot of people go to watch. I think these days they put up stand round horse guard parade wherepeople can sit, but they usually ride back through the streets, as well, where the public ca watch.

But because his birthday is in November, the weather is unlikely to be good. So they create an official birthday in June when celebrations take place (obvs not last year because he wasn't king) when hopefully the weather will be nice for outdoor events. And I think I read, but I could be wrong about this, that the late queen celebrated her official birthday on the second Saturday in June (her actual birthday was in showery Apri) so not a fixed date, and Charles is doing the same.

@MrsFinkelstein and @Puzzledandpissedoff

I think why it is pertinent to Harry's case is that in Puers Morgan 's book, he writes that when he was editor of the Mirror, he heard rumours about Diana and MB meeting. So Sherbourne has said that Morgan heard the rumours from his journalists who were hacking the phones. Morgan has always denied that he knew anything about hacking and it didn't take place on his watch. I guess Sherbourne is trying to tie him having knowledge of something must be because his journalists who obtained the information illegally, had told him. Thereby connecting the editor of the mirror to hacking.

It's tenuous, though, isn't it? Unless MB appears to confirm it but then he'd be suing the Mirror himself!

And I wonder if some of this is so that Harry can get sympathy by bringing up his dead mother from the judge and the public. It does always seem to work so well for him.

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I bet you think their shit didn’t stink either 🤣🤣

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Philip was one of the biggest entitled, misogynist, racist, bigotry errmmm people ever

As for William ♠️💩♠️💩

The queen well, aeehhmmm she sat silently by while her family were torn apart by the institution. Not a good mother or role model in my books.

Given there has been an 'official birthday' for the monarch, as opposed to their actual birthday, for - according to the BBC - over 260 years (other websites give slightly different dates for the start of the practice, but all agree it is well over 200 years) I expect he will carry on the tradition. It makes sense to have it at a time of year when any outdoor events are likely to have reasonable weather.

None of this has anything to do with the matter at hand so the attempts at derailing the thread are obvious.

Indeed, there have been attempts to derail the thread by gossiping about other posters and asking for DMs on deleted posts from three weeks ago.

Hope that will all stop this morning and the thread gets back on track..

So, back on topic - will Harry manage to get out of bed and turn up on time today?

will he be yawning copiously as he goes into court, trying to tug at our heartstrings?

will the judge say anything about his deliberate rudeness yesterday?

Let’s just keep on topic and ignore anyone trying to get the thread deleted.

because that would be a “near catastrophe”

Yes, he will get out of bed and turn up on time today, as he always expected to be in the witness box today, not yesterday.

And I very much doubt that he will be yawning copiously to "tug at (y)our heartstrings."

Especially as it is not the public that will determine the outcome of this case, so any heartstring tugging will be wasted effort.

The judge expected him to turn up yesterday.

and the judge is the person in charge, so he was definitely expected Tobe in court yesterday.

there’s no way you can even attempt to argue otherwise.

it was rude and stupid of him

And the public are fed up with his awful behaviour anyway.

as if one court case wasn’t enough, Harry has another one today, this time in USA

https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-subject-of-us-court-case-which-could-result-in-his-removal-from-the-country-12897207

He certainly seems to have annoyed the judge, who had told him to be there yesterday and obviously expected him there yesterday.

However, the case will be heard on its merits, not by whoever pleases/pisses off the judge.

Just as Meghan won her case re: her father's letter being published, despite lying to the court - because at the end of the day the issue being tried was copyright, not that she had contributed to other stories being put in the public domain and then lied about doing so.