H&M vs Backgrid

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H&M have apparently ’demanded’ pap footage from Backgrid, according to TMZ.

Their lawyer has replied with the following:

In America, as I'm sure you know, property belongs to the owner of it: Third parties cannot just demand it be given to them, as perhaps Kings can do. Perhaps you should sit down with your client and advise them that his English rules of royal prerogative to demand that the citizenry hand over their property to the Crown were rejected by this country long ago. We stand by our founding fathers

Court case #6 incoming?

https://amp.tmz.com/2023/05/18/prince-harry-meghan-markle-demand-photo-agency-give-them-footage-of-chase/

Good to know I’ve not lost all my faculties today then…

The paparazzi are horribly intrusive and aggressive.
But that isn't news to any of us, who are not celebs (I presume, at least I'm not and I know this) so I'm not sure why it's suprised them so much?

The RF in the UK have some agreements with the press which means they lay off them to some degree in return for the acceptance of interest and stories. e.g. we won't pap you taking the kids to school, but if you're leaving a bar in central London drunk we'll probably publish an unflattering picture.

It's not ideal but it's a compromise which works for both.

Problem with H&M is they wouldn't accept any of that. They want total control. They think they can put out as much private content as they want on Nteflix but demand total privacy at other times.
They want to be celebs but totally on thier terms.

It's not going to happen. If they want to commoditise themsleves as celebrities they should accpet they'll be some unwanted instrusion.

It seems though they won't accept the reality and instead are determind to spend their lives fighting everyone to make things exactly as they think it should be. They are going to makw themselves very unpopular and unhappy in the process.

Harry should have listened to Charles when he told him he couldn't win fighting the press.
They should have learned how to make it work for them instead of fighting it.

Or gone and lived a quiet life outside the RF or being a celeb.

Yes they want privacy on their terms but happy to blow the privacy of half a dozen other people out of the water including family, for money. This is why I have no respect for either of them.

I know this was NYC not London but in the UK all 3 passengers could have been given a fixed penalty for not wearing a seatbelt.

Remember Rishi Sunak was given a penalty filming in the back of a car without a seat belt.

The RF in the UK have some agreements with the press which means they lay off them to some degree in return for the acceptance of interest and stories. e.g. we won't pap you taking the kids to school, but if you're leaving a bar in central London drunk we'll probably publish an unflattering picture.

Actually those are rules which apply to all press coverage of minor children, not an agreement between the Press and the just Royal family.

There was a general agreement for the press not to cover Prince William at St Andrews University, and of course to keep quiet about Prince Harry being in Afghanistan. The Royal Rota arrangement probably also counts here - meaning the number of press attending engagements are limited, on the basis that they share all the details amongst the other rota members. But otherwise, yes, they are open to the usual rules of engagement for the press.

Why do you think non-royal celebrities would have it easier?

There are celebrities that are way more popular & sought after than H&M.

Taylor Swift and Harry Styles are good examples here!

I think this whole press fiasco is why “never complain, never explain” works. The more they talk the more ammunition it gives.

Kim Kardashian was in NYC for the Met Gala recently and had her dd in the city too. They were photographed in a car and outside their hotel. Security good enough for Kim and North will be good enough for the Sussexes and Doria.

About the seatbelt issue, it's clear in the pic they had just sat down and the car couldn't even take off, they were surrounded by men and the security had to keep telling them to stand back. There's nothing to say they didn't wear seatbelts once the car moved off.

Yet only pictures to show them not wearing it. Interesting. He knew how his mum died, if he felt he or his wife and MIL life were in danger, he'd have said to put on a seatbelt.

Yes, and why would a photo of them sat in the back of car behind tinted windows be so newsworthy? They were returning from an event where photographers were present in abundance.

Where can I see the photo of the chase described above?

Apparently you can't, since if it wasn't as described it would be difficult to find images of something that didn't happen in that way

Surprised, though, that nobody's produced pictures of something else entirely and pretended it was them - it's not as if there isn't form for it

Why do you think non-royal celebrities would have it easier?
Some Russian , Ukrainian , Azerbaijani Oligarch are very high risk, none are entitled to Government funded protection whilst they lived in UK or South of France where they are usually based.

The next Netflix will however. Remember the Harry Potter and Katie Price images? Easy enough to rig up something

Easy enough to rig up something ...

So it seems, even on here - but no, I didn't see the Harry Potter/Katie Price thing

Hang on, unless you mean using the images of other people's photogs, polkadotdalmation?
I remember that very well, but tthought you meant some other incident ...

Yes, a similar piece of smoke and mirrors, to look like they are being chased at high speed pursued by paps in blacked out SUVs.

Those bastards at Netflix are going to do something similar in the Crown regarding Diana's death. Blood money, and beyond disgusting.

I can’t get my head around why they changed to a taxi or why they didn’t do what many celebs do and book more than one hotel.

The whole thing happened between 10pm and midnight so it's not surprising that few passersby had footage. Think about it logically, if you're driving down a highway, how often do you have your phone open and in your hand, with camera app open and switched to video mode? And how fast would you react to other cars going by?

But we know they didn't go to the police station for an hour. So they drove round in NYC traffic for an hour. Not going that fast, stopping at lights, and with all those paps indiscreetly announcing they were coming. I hardly think 10pm to midnight is late for New York. There will have beens lots of people around. The convoy will have been moving slowly through traffic.
And yet no photos. I'm really surprised.

I find it laughable that they think they can just demand someone else's copyrighted work. Who on earth is advising them? Their lawyers' bills must be ginormous.

I'm also surprised to see no pics, video or eye witness accounts considering that it would be easy to make a quick buck.

I am baffled by 10-12 being late in NYC?

I posted this on another thread

They created this hysteria.
If they had got to the venue on time and entered and left by the front, photographers could have had their photos, they could have got in their car and left.
By ' sneaking' in and out of the back ( in full sight) they made a whole other drama.
If they are attending events to accept awards then they should accept photographers will be there.
If they don't want to be photographed don't go!
I do think they want to be photographed though, certainly Meghan does.

Because they will be panning yet mooooore legal action and want the lawyers to scrutinise them..