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H&M vs Backgrid

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PicturesOfDogs · 18/05/2023 20:51

H&M have apparently ’demanded’ pap footage from Backgrid, according to TMZ.

Their lawyer has replied with the following:

In America, as I'm sure you know, property belongs to the owner of it: Third parties cannot just demand it be given to them, as perhaps Kings can do. Perhaps you should sit down with your client and advise them that his English rules of royal prerogative to demand that the citizenry hand over their property to the Crown were rejected by this country long ago. We stand by our founding fathers

Court case #6 incoming?

https://amp.tmz.com/2023/05/18/prince-harry-meghan-markle-demand-photo-agency-give-them-footage-of-chase/

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle Demand Photo Agency Give Them Footage of 'Chase'

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are trying to put the squeeze on a photo agency that claimed their freelance paparazzi who followed the couple Tuesday night were not, as M&H claimed, "highly aggressive" and didn't cause a near-collision.

https://amp.tmz.com/2023/05/18/prince-harry-meghan-markle-demand-photo-agency-give-them-footage-of-chase/

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WheelsUp · 19/05/2023 16:06

IcedPurple · 19/05/2023 16:01

Have any of these 'others' on whose behalf they were supposedly so scared come forward to speak of their frightening experience? With mobile phone footage of the incident, as you do? Or have camera phones not made it to the Big Apple?

Or dash cams...

IcedPurple · 19/05/2023 16:10

WheelsUp · 19/05/2023 16:06

Or dash cams...

Or CCTV.

Scratch that. NY has almost as many street cameras as London.

Did none of them capture this 'relentless' two hour pursuit which endangered so many people, none of them equipped with a mobile phone?

behaveasbefitsthesituationwillyas · 19/05/2023 16:20

TeaIsRisen · 19/05/2023 11:28

The whole thing is just stupid, though. H&M made clear it was a two hour thing from start to finish (so the two hours included the time they were inside the police station, after their police escort realised they couldn't safely avoid the paps who were running red lights and endangering pedestrians by driving over pavements and took them to the police station), and not two hours of continuous car chasing. They also never claimed it was a "high speed" chase.

The whole thing feels so manipulative and gaslighty from the media, and it's distasteful how much glee people are taking from watching someone who's clearly extremely traumatised be put into what's evidently a very traumatising situation.

Someone with PTSD whose mum was brutally killed by being chased by paps is for sure going to have a massive trauma response to being chased by paps themselves, and no one is denying (and both police and the NY mayor's office have confirmed) that some unmarked cars with covered up licence plates did chase them, did drive dangerously, and spent two hours pursuing them, and that their police escort considered the situation so dangerous they had to be escorted inside a police station and wait for some time inside a police station, then get a second form of transport.

The decision to move Harry and Meghan from their SUV into a yellow taxi then have the police escort go in a different direction from the taxi in order to fool the paps also seems to have confused people, due to the taxi driver selling his story to so many media outlets. But H&M were only in the taxi for ten minutes, because that was after they'd changed cars and ditched the car that was being chased. It was the SUV that was being chased, not the taxi.

The video also shows people surrounding their car screaming at them (who is the man with the British accent??) so it's not like nothing happened. Clearly something very upsetting happened. The police don't decide to escort and shelter two people in a police station for no reason.

It's just so shady how the media have created this whole thing where basically:
Harry and Meghan: We were chased, had to wait in a police station, and the whole thing took two hours.
Media: Harry and Meghan claim TWO HOUR HIGH SPEED CAR CHASE.
Witnesses: Um there was no HIGH SPEED chase.
Public: LOL busted for lying hahahaha!

Like... it's not Harry and Meghan who claimed it was a two-hour high speed chase, the media just made that up. Apparently only the small part that took place on FDR Drive (which is a highway) was 'high speed.' So there was a small part that was high speed but the two hours covers the whole thing, including the time spent inside the police station, and being pursued at lower speed. In a busy area like NY, being pursued even at low speeds is dangerous and scary. The pursuing cars were objectively driving over pavements and driving the wrong way down one-way streets which is clearly unsafe.

The whole thing happened between 10pm and midnight so it's not surprising that few passersby had footage. Think about it logically, if you're driving down a highway, how often do you have your phone open and in your hand, with camera app open and switched to video mode? And how fast would you react to other cars going by?

Great post. This needs to be repeated. 👏

There is CCTV footage, I'm sure of it, but it will be released when the police deem it ready to. Same with the videos taken by Harry. I bet Backgrid are hiding theirs though.

About the seatbelt issue, it's clear in the pic they had just sat down and the car couldn't even take off, they were surrounded by men and the security had to keep telling them to stand back. There's nothing to say they didn't wear seatbelts once the car moved off. I'm pretty sure the driver would have reminded them to, it's almost a reflex to do that in this day and age.

KrasiTime · 19/05/2023 16:22

AliceOlive · 19/05/2023 15:59

From CNN:

"Conversations with a member of their entourage have also made it clear that they felt that they had stuck to speed limits, that the couple never felt under threat but that the lives of others had been."

Seems they did not feel threatened, not scared.

Is this my imagination- (probably is as not 100%) but does sounds like the start of a backtrack? I’m not quite sure & am very dense today.

Prettylittleroses · 19/05/2023 16:24

If someone demanded I give them my property I’d be a lot more snarky than back grid was and I’d tell them to fuck right off

Backgrid will sell the images, they are already coming out. If harry and Meghan wanted them they should have asked nicely or negotiated to buy, not habe lawyers write a letter demanding they are given someone else’s property, how fucking arrogant is that.

Prettylittleroses · 19/05/2023 16:26

I bet Backgrid are hiding theirs though

the opposite. They just aren’t giving them away for free when demanded. And the reason harry and Meghan want to see them is they want to check if their ludicrous statement is now about to be proven wrong by images too…

Prettylittleroses · 19/05/2023 16:28

If harry and Meghan thought for one moment those pics proved what they said they’d pay a fortune for them, the rude demand shows they think they are about to be publicly embarrassed by them,

AliceOlive · 19/05/2023 16:28

No, they didn't just sit down in the taxi. There was a garbage truck blocking them and that's why they were sitting still. They wouldn't have gotten into a taxi with a garbage truck blocking it. (You can hear it in the video on TMZ, and you can read about it on some of the US sites with the full timeline.)

The seatbelt commentary is stupid and linking it to Diana not very nice. As almost no one wears seat belts in NYC taxis. They are built like tanks. It's even remotely the same as driving through Paris.

Really sick of everyone trying to draw parallel's to Diana's death. This will not be the first nor last time that H has paparazzi around his vehicle. His entourage said he was not feeling threatened. Yes, pictures taken of vehicles through windshields will remind you of Diana if that is what is on your mind.

In my opinion, it is disgusting to keep bringing Diana up, no matter what argument one is making.

mixedrecycling · 19/05/2023 16:28

behaveasbefitsthesituationwillyas · 19/05/2023 16:20

Great post. This needs to be repeated. 👏

There is CCTV footage, I'm sure of it, but it will be released when the police deem it ready to. Same with the videos taken by Harry. I bet Backgrid are hiding theirs though.

About the seatbelt issue, it's clear in the pic they had just sat down and the car couldn't even take off, they were surrounded by men and the security had to keep telling them to stand back. There's nothing to say they didn't wear seatbelts once the car moved off. I'm pretty sure the driver would have reminded them to, it's almost a reflex to do that in this day and age.

There is CCTV footage, I'm sure of it

How can you be sure of it?

They may be footage, I have no idea, but I don't understand how you can be sure of it.

Very odd. Unless you are a CCTV operator in NY and have seen the footage?

behaveasbefitsthesituationwillyas · 19/05/2023 16:29

@mixedrecycling Because it's New York - there must be. Unless they have them all turned off after 10pm?

AliceOlive · 19/05/2023 16:30

KrasiTime · 19/05/2023 16:22

Is this my imagination- (probably is as not 100%) but does sounds like the start of a backtrack? I’m not quite sure & am very dense today.

I think it's a clarification, absolutely. Make of it what you will.

Either their "PR person" went overboard and released something they had not read, or it's a backtrack.

TripleDaisySummer · 19/05/2023 16:30

There is CCTV footage, I'm sure of it, but it will be released when the police deem it ready to. Same with the videos taken by Harry. I bet Backgrid are hiding theirs though.

I'm just surprised it not already all over social media with phone pics and eyewitness accounts - most things are these days often immediately.

Prettylittleroses · 19/05/2023 16:31

AliceOlive · 19/05/2023 16:30

I think it's a clarification, absolutely. Make of it what you will.

Either their "PR person" went overboard and released something they had not read, or it's a backtrack.

High speed police chase that’s nearly catastrophic to within the speed limits and we felt safe is a major back track. .

mixedrecycling · 19/05/2023 16:32

behaveasbefitsthesituationwillyas · 19/05/2023 16:29

@mixedrecycling Because it's New York - there must be. Unless they have them all turned off after 10pm?

Oh, I see.

Yes, there will be CCTV footage. Not necessarily footage that supports H&M's spokesperson's statement.

We'll have to wait before anyone can be sure whether it does or it doesn't support their claims.

AliceOlive · 19/05/2023 16:32

This gave me a huge laugh.

I'm pretty sure the driver would have reminded them to, it's almost a reflex to do that in this day and age.

I think you haven't ever been to NYC? No, that would not happen. Today NYC taxi's all(?) have audio/video recorded messages + advertisements. Prior to that they would never have said anything about a seatbelt. And they absolutely do not care if you wear one.

behaveasbefitsthesituationwillyas · 19/05/2023 16:37

Prettylittleroses · 19/05/2023 16:24

If someone demanded I give them my property I’d be a lot more snarky than back grid was and I’d tell them to fuck right off

Backgrid will sell the images, they are already coming out. If harry and Meghan wanted them they should have asked nicely or negotiated to buy, not habe lawyers write a letter demanding they are given someone else’s property, how fucking arrogant is that.

Yet you don't consider how unethically that property was acquired? How fucking arrogant is it of the paps and the tabloids to terrorise people to get private pics of them. That's OK is it? It's all open season is it?

If Backgrid sell those images I hope it backfires on them and they get prosecuted. It would be utterly stupid of them!

AliceOlive · 19/05/2023 16:37

They only passed the seatbelt law for livery in NYC in 2020. I haven't been there since pre-covid. Maybe people started doing it since then, but I sincerely doubt it.

Bri5 · 19/05/2023 16:40

It is unethical and a terrible shitty thing to do. But it’s not illegal.

mixedrecycling · 19/05/2023 16:41

I thought the US has fewer restrictions on the paparazzi than the UK? It was commented on when H&M claimed they were moving to the US to get away from the tabloids and paparazzi

lavenderlou · 19/05/2023 16:42

They could have avoided a lot of bother if they used language like "harassed by aggressive paparazzi " or said that the paparazzi could have endangered a member of the public rather than use language that conjures up an image of them being in a Diana style situation.

This sums it up.

EsmaCannonball · 19/05/2023 16:44

A taxi being built like a tank is not going to stop you going head-first into the windscreen or into the head of the taxi-driver. I know someone who has terrible, life-changing facial injuries from a crash in New York taxi. Harry claims to be haunted by his mother's death and to play every stage of it over and over in his head. I do not doubt this. It just makes it even more inexplicable that he wouldn't wear a seatbelt, especially in what he claims to be a dangerous situation. Their expensive private security team must be absolutely rubbish for not making them wear seatbelts. The job of a security detail is to protect a client's life, not to engage in risky behaviour to help them avoid being photographed.

CathyorClaire · 19/05/2023 16:44

A forthright response from Backgrid, albeit with a strong tongue in cheek element.

Surprisingly forthright for a set-up that's done no doubt profitable business with the pair in the past and might have been supposed to hope for more in the future.

That coupled with the high-handed 'demands' for footage from Harold seem to me to point to yet another professional falling out.

I have no doubt we'll hear all about it at some point.

behaveasbefitsthesituationwillyas · 19/05/2023 16:49

AliceOlive · 19/05/2023 16:32

This gave me a huge laugh.

I'm pretty sure the driver would have reminded them to, it's almost a reflex to do that in this day and age.

I think you haven't ever been to NYC? No, that would not happen. Today NYC taxi's all(?) have audio/video recorded messages + advertisements. Prior to that they would never have said anything about a seatbelt. And they absolutely do not care if you wear one.

Oh OK, I haven't been to NY since c2000s. If it's the norm there not to wear seat belts then why are H&M being beaten up for not wearing them then.

@Prettylittleroses High speed police chase that’s nearly catastrophic to within the speed limits and we felt safe is a major back track.

They never said it was high speed. (Probably hence why they weren't wearing seat belts.)

behaveasbefitsthesituationwillyas · 19/05/2023 16:54

The security was rubbish. But I don't think private security is in any way the same league as royal security or state security. These guys probably didn't realise how manic it could get for H&M as opposed to protecting a regular celebrity.

Prettylittleroses · 19/05/2023 17:09

lavenderlou · 19/05/2023 16:42

They could have avoided a lot of bother if they used language like "harassed by aggressive paparazzi " or said that the paparazzi could have endangered a member of the public rather than use language that conjures up an image of them being in a Diana style situation.

This sums it up.

Agree. But this is just same old same old. They do this repeatedly. State a twisted exaggerated version of the truth for attention. It’s a common theme with them. They literally just can’t stop themselves from doing it.

if they just were honest and said we were followed through NY and were trying to stop the paps Finding out where we were staying so drove round for two hours and switched cars to try to lose them, but they were persistent and quite aggressive which made it challenging for our drivers..then fair enough, that’s clearly the truth. But to have that statement put out knowing the links to Diana is far from ok if it is not the truth of it.

having a high speed chase through ny for two hours is nigh on impossible and now they’ve back tracked when it’s become clear it’s bullshit. And now they are having their lawyers demand footage that they have no right to.

its appalling behaviour. Again.