Were William late or was Charles early?

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So aparantly William was late but also heard Charles was early. What was meant to happen?

@WeWereInParis There were many threads about this when Archie was not invited. The Royalists all informed us that Louis was not invited and Charlotte may not be either.
The truth?
Only white children invited.

The pageant/parade thing? That's a different event where it made no difference if he made noise etc. Also, they were criticised for taking him and for his behaviour.

I've (obviously) no idea why Archie wasn't invited. But I don't think it's unreasonable to say a just turned 4 year old couldn't do it but a just turned 5 year old who's been at school for nearly a year probably could, with a break built in.

Do you want some salt and vinegar for that chip on your shoulder

This has been done to death. They walked away. They can’t pick and choose when they want their children to have privacy. Inviting them to an event with billions of people watching is not giving them their privacy

They never said they wanted obscurity.

Archie would also have had the long flight to contend with.

Louis was at the pagent thing and was getting fed up ended up on Gramps knee at one point. Mike Tindall telling him I'm watching 👀 you!

He's also used to sitting through boring church services, and they had a break arranged for him in the middle - and I bet the Nanny was watching him like a hawk ready to step in if he got restless at any other points.
No offence to any church goers but church is boring!

@90stalgia It is for the parents to decide whether to bring their child on a plane ride. I have taken kids that age on long plane rides in economy, it is fine if you are organised. They would not be flying economy and would have a nanny.

I know. But so many lies get repeated on here again and again.

He is still at nursery, he could take a few days off for a momentous occasion and they all come in early.

Well rested by the occasion. Quietly taken in and out like Charles and Louis were for coronations.

I think the narrative is that if you repeat the lie enough, it will automatically be seen as fact.

@notanotheroneagain That makes sense.

More thinking that the long flights would be very boring for a child that age and not really worth it for a couple of hours at the coronation. I doubt Archie would have gone to the concert, since Louis didn't.

We took our then 18 month old to the west of the USA. On our return, he had the most horrendous jet lag. I wouldn’t have wanted to bring small children that far for a short visit. Given that they didn’t want to stay long, what would have been the point? What possible role could they have had in the Coronation as it was only those deemed to be “working Royals” who had any meaningful roles? Would anyone want to take the chance that they wouldn’t cope with all the noise etc of the coronation as well?

I was thinking more along the lines that last time, Lili went to see HMQE and had her birthday sometime during jubilee.

Ok, doesn't look like Charles has the time of day for them. But cousins like Yorks etc. would have been happy to see them. Even H&M charities would have appreciated some visit - like Wellchild etc.

Oh well.

"The Cabinet Office?So who's in charge here ? They could not even get the Head of the most powerful country to attend on this date." I'm assuming you're alluding to Joe Biden here @notanotheroneagain ?

As has been said numerous times, no POTUS has ever attended a Coronation.

It was hugely significant that FLOTUS attended and was a massive compliment to Charles she did.

No other reigning Monarch has ever attended either, so the fact so many Europe Monarchs attended is also a change and a compliment.

You can try and twist the actual facts to suit your predetermined narrative, but we were all there and the Coronation weekend has been a huge success.

As for a possible snafu with timing of arrivals the whole thing went to clockwork. Every Coronation has had something go wrong.

Nothing can top Victoria's though - it went on so long and was so chaotic she thought it was over so left. They had to bring her back to finish it!

It has been a wonderful weekend. Just a shame that some members of that family think they are too good to attend. There will be regrets they are not in those historic photos and frankly so selfish that their kids, whose heritage this is, won’t be in those photos and are not getting to know their grandad who is a King. Bizarre

@notanotheroneagain the US president was never going to be attending the coronation . They never attend them. That's been clarified several times. Charles would have had very little input as to the date.

No other reigning Monarch has ever attended either, so the fact so many Europe Monarchs attended is also a change and a compliment.

I think it’s quite telling that a lot of those that did are the younger monarchs. Sweden’s Carl-Gustav being one of the exceptions.

The older ones, like Denmark’s and Norway, stuck to the tradition of the Crown Prince attending.

I wonder how much that was due to tradition, and how much possibly due to the older generation being more superstitious (it was always said to be unlucky to attend a coronation as a crowned head).

Joe Biden was never coming.

Thats one of those “we’re inviting you, but we know you won’t come” invitations.

The extra security makes it a nightmare logistically if he did.

It was very unusual that he attended the Queen’s funeral, and says more about her longevity than it says anything about Charles that he didn’t come to the Coronation.

Neither has FLOTUS.

This is the sign of times. What's the point of this 'soft power'?
USA was not our 'ally' since they fought for their republic. Well, not till WW2, when we joined forces against Hitler.

At some point France was our 'ally', well, except we decided on Brexit.

And yes, we did have other royals there. Unlike before.

The whole point was to reflect our standing currently, which is why it cost so much. There was no one powerful there.

I agree not having POTUS there shows how irrelevant the monarchy is now.

How does it show that if a POTUS has never been to a coronation?

I’d also be interested in knowing what other ceremonies marking the formal instalment of a new Head of State of a foreign country the POTUS does actually attend…?

I don’t remember any of the royal family attending his inauguration. Does that make the Presidency irrelevant?

Biden is elected. That is where his power comes from.
He does not need to argue about soft power as a hereditary Royal.