Were William late or was Charles early?

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So aparantly William was late but also heard Charles was early. What was meant to happen?

Yes and receiving bejewled spurs and right hand oven glove.

I reckon someone is already making oven gloves in those colours. This year’s Christmas present, perhaps.

Still must have been very nerve racking knowing that people will dig out footage of the event long after your dead and buried. Nobody wants to be remembered for the bits that went wrong.

It was the Queen who was the calm, patient, stoic one. There were plenty of accounts and photos of Philip yelling at drivers, photographers and others. He swore at people a lot too. It’s clear where Charles gets his impatience from.

If he were in the slightest bit worried about that he wouldn't have sat in the carriage ranting.

I would take the 'lip readers' reports with a pinch of salt. People I know who lip read need to be face to face and close to the person. To interpret what someone has said sideways on through the windows of a carriage would seem a bit of a stretch.

You can see from the footage that he's ranting! I don't need to be a lipreader to see that

Stressed, nervous whatever but these silly claims stating exactly that he said he was 'bored' are surely bollocks.

I'm amazed the organisers allowed such a slip up - surely the Cambridges could have been re-routed. Surely there were 'walkie talkies' involved telling people when to set off?
I suppose maybe there was a last minute security reason for not being able to reroute them or something.
But then I don't understand why they didn't get C & C to just sit in the carriage for an extra minute whilst the Cambridges walked in.
I kind of understand how them arriving in the wrong order would cause stress. I was once late to a Great Grandparent's funeral (traffic) and walking in behind the coffin was so stressful, let alone a historic event with billions watching.

Why? Lipreading from the side is possible, if that's what lipreaders are saying he said then I'm inclined to believe them

Charles was early.
W&K we're on time.

According to an account I follow on insta the timings of arrivals down to the minute are released to the media which makes sense.

So taking that into account Charles was allegedly 6 or 7 minutes early and the Wales were right on time.

Hardly a massive deal.

But I thought Camilla looked like she would be any place rather than at the coronation.

Charles was early.
W&K we're on time

That could have been why William looked a bit uptight. We were talking about this yesterday. Maybe he was he was a bit pissed because he was on time and could have got to his seat. If only dad could have sat a while longer in the golden carriage and stopped fussing.

I thought Camilla looked petrified - particularly when she had been crowned. I genuinely believe that she had not desire to be Queen, and that is something she has to do to support her DH.

In my early 60's - I remember (and felt) some of the dislike of Camilla, but think that she and Charles clearly love each other, and are good for each other.

Me too, I found my wedding stressful enough!

I think the “this is boring” comment he made wasn’t about him being bored, but about the fact that there was nothing for people watching to see.

He knows he’s not as popular as his mother. He knows that the cost of the day was being scrutinised.

I think he meant them sat in a carriage not moving and nothing to see was boring for the spectacle.

rather than him being bored.

I just don't understand why it would be Charles's decision when to set off on that journey. Surely it would all be coordinated by other people?

Who cares tbh.

I think he's an awkward nervous person. It probably just got too stressful and we all have a good moan in stressful situations don't we
I can imagine camilla saying pull yourself together Charles

I'm not sure how easy re-routing would have been given all of the road closures, barriers etc
I am impressed at improvising a procession involving a just turned 8yo and a just turned 5yo. I couldn't imagine telling my two "right, you know how we were going to walk in with Daddy holding your hand, Charlotte, and me clutching yours, Louis, and you were going to smile and NOT wave and then sit down quietly ... well, we're now walking in behind Grandpa so Mummy & Daddy will go first and you two are to walk behind us nice and slowly, smiling and holding hands".
I know Charlotte always looks very serene but she's only 8 and that's a very long aisle.

I'm not sure how easy re-routing would have been given all of the road closures, barriers etc

The security, both generally of the day and for the Wales’, would make re-routing impossible.

He allegedly said: ‘We can never be on time…yes, I’m….this is a negative…this is boring..’. And the something like ‘Where is the Prince of Wales?’

I can only presume he knew the world was watching him just sit in a carriage for five minutes which indeed looked strange. I can’t imagine the stress.

Yes - this is exactly what happened. Charles set off early and the Waleses could not overtake him.

I think what this shows is that the late Queen was an absolute pro who saw the bigger picture, didn't let her emotions surface and was a very calm measured person. I think Charles is very different. I can well imagine him getting impatient and wanting to leave straight away... hence the early arrival.

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