What next for the Sussexes?

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I thought yesterday couldn't have gone better, all things considered; there was the least amount of drama or negative coverage possible regarding the Sussexes.

I'd like to hope that this marks a fresh start. Harry's got all the recriminations off his chest. The Royal Family have maintained a dignified silence and hopefully the future is rosy. The Sussexes can have the life they want in the US, with a small presence in family events back here when appropriate. (I wouldn't be surprised however if Megan never makes it back on UK soil).

That’s interesting. I’m not sure if I was misremembering, but I’m pretty sure that I watched a documentary that had some pictures and clips that showed that they were amicable towards the end and that they were trying to co-parent etc. Who knows what the real story is? But perhaps the acrimonious pictures are the ones that might be spread and shared more. But Diana was really young and clearly wasn’t equipped with all the stresses and dysfunctional aspects of royal life.

I do feel for Camilla because she is still often portrayed as the “other woman” even though she’s been married to Charles since the early 2000s.

I hope H & M go and live the quiet life they long for without any angst and stop with the books and interviews. Much healthier for their little family. With all the added stress of court cases and family matters it must have a detrimental effect on all of them.

@pilates - I don't think they "long" for a quiet life. That was already achievable. They want to have status and a high profile, otherwise why have agents and PR staff? That's not a criticism, some people do, and have fulfilling lives that way. It's the kind of public role/celebrity that they seek that is the thorny issue. Based on RF links or new projects?. I hope the latter.

Don't know why people keep banging on about Harry retracting the statement. He did no such thing.

He called it unconscious bias. You know what that is right?
It's your own racism that is unchecked and you are not aware of.

Posters also keep leaving out the part where he says unconscious bias leads to outright racism.

The palace then doubled down on their racism, by issuing a nonsense insulting statement of 'recollections may vary'. Showing their own racism to the world, actually.

And no, they said one person said this. Not the whole family. It was a concern, not curiosity. At that same time, they wanted to remove A&L titles when the time came.

Please do not patronise poc, they know when racism is being made against them.

Did he say it was a flawed memory at the beginning of those chapters?

I do recall the flawed memory of Fergie suddenly bringing cake to his school. It did not sound right to him, so he does disclose that he was told this story as a running narrative and wondered if it was true, because it was improbable.

Don't try to twist things.
There is this running narrative to discredit H&M as liars.

As I said, most of what we read in spare was already written in books and articles. This is now a clarification.

He called it unconscious bias. You know what that is right?
It's your own racism that is unchecked and you are not aware of.
Posters also keep leaving out the part where he says unconscious bias leads to outright racism.

Yes. I think the other important thing missed I feel he was saying was, that other people took his story as racist. That is, people of colour around the world, consider it as racist. Even if Meghan and Harry never alluded to it themselves, people will come to their own conclusions and judgements on it. I detest any suggestion he should have kept quiet and not revealed it. Racism shouldn’t be kept secret inside a powerful institution like that. You’re also right, that in the context it was happening with other topics about their child discussed, Meghan clearly felt othered by them. The fact she is being blasted for daring to mention it by royalists, rather than being horrified it was said, says a lot to some of us.

That isn't twisting anything. Those are provable untruths in black and white in his book. If he thought his memory was flawed about the QM's death, he or his ghostwriter/editors could have checked it so easily. But his version fed into the "poor persecuted me" narrative so they didn't bother.

There is this running narrative to discredit H&M as liars.

They have to be liars though. Otherwise the British royal family are racists and maybe British people would have to deal with the racism problem they have but won’t admit to.

The palace then doubled down on their racism, by issuing a nonsense insulting statement of 'recollections may vary'. Showing their own racism to the world, actually.

That's a statement that he has misrepresented the facts, it isn't showing racism unless you are going along with the narrative that everything in the book must be absolute truth and anyone who denies Harry's version is lying.

@Whaeanui

They lie. Truth is whatever suits them at that time.

Defend them all you want, believe them all you want, but don’t expect the rest of us to swallow their nonsense

This.

The racism one was interesting since later (around a year later) H said that he never said they were racist but that the press interpreted that way 😂

This is what I don't understand "I think the other important thing missed I feel he was saying was, that other people took his story as racist. " Maybe other people took his story as racist since he presented it that way.

And he’s never said it wasn’t an accurate retelling of events.
Some people don’t believe the story, some people do.
Some people that do believe it don’t think it’s racism, which is more troubling because it is. But nobody can deny the royal family have a racism problem and Harry isn’t the only one to say they have.

@changednametorespond oh and many people believe it was racist because it’s happened to them. I’m one of those people. Many many times it’s happened. That isn’t about how Harry presented it. I LIVE IT.

Oh I totally expect you to deny the racism over and over and over. Even when it’s on a thread. I’m not here to persuade you. That would be pointless.

I detest any suggestion he should have kept quiet and not revealed it. Racism shouldn’t be kept secret inside a powerful institution like that.

No one wanted that. But to leave it lying over almost the whole family instead of the people responsible is unfair and unnecessary and cruel.

It isn’t about being ‘royalist’. It is about being fair.

if you can choose your words carefully enough to say something without saying it (so much so that you can easily back track later?), then you can choose the correct words in the first place.

and as for not being horrified and it ‘saying a lot to some of us’?

’Some of us’ are actually horrified that they have dealt with matters in the way that they have.

And if he never said it was accurate then perhaps he shouldn’t have said what he did or in the way that he did. It needs to be accurate.

Because that can damage everyone when it comes to speaking out against racism. Plenty of people live it. It needs to be accurate so when people speak out they are heard.

Misremembering things isn’t a help. Being accurate is.

And if he never said it was accurate then perhaps he shouldn’t have said what he did or in the way that he did. It needs to be accurate.

Youve misread. I said he never said it wasn’t accurate. The story he told, I believe. Based on that and the way they dealt with it, myself and other people ( that means some people but not all ) think that means this family have a racism problem. In fact, many people said so before Meghan. Some people think they should have named the person, others don’t think it necessary and potentially it would have been much worse. The lady Hussey situation showed why that was a risky thing to do to an individual, much more than an institution and family group.

Come to think of it, the RF never came out to deny anything in the book.

Why? Because they know it's all true.

Most of those stories have been told before via books and articles.

There is also a chance of Harry coming back with proof that everything he says took place. Which would be worse for the palace.
The palace thought they had everything on lock. Paper and digital trail was erased - except for one little problem, when MM's friends called her, they must have told her, send everything to us. We will save it all. Hence saving her when JK came to the court case. The palace hands were burned there.

But the court case against MM proved something to them. It's unpredictable what H&M have as proof. And they can answer back now!
A bad play of hand, being spiteful about the half in, which would have made them unable to tell their story. Oh well.

With them no longer under the palace control, they can do and say whatever they want. I hope mama Middleton advised K to do the same - do not be under the full control of the palace, and save any evidence via your family.

Circling back. We knew that H was a 'bargain prince' shopping at TK Maxx, but we didn't know why. We knew he and W had a fight maybe regarding MM, but we didn't know the details. And so on and on.
Hence I say Spare a clarification not a revelation.

Exactly !

Bury your head in the sand, and it never happened.

🙈🙉🙊

Fair enough. I misread.

He didn’t say it wasn’t accurate?

Then when some memories are hazy then perhaps in this instance he should .

It is also fine if he doesn’t want to name individual(s). But in the same vein he shouldn’t cast blame over innocent people and leave it sitting.

How worse do matters have to get? Like branding almost your entire family as racist is the better option…

*Don't try to twist things.
There is this running narrative to discredit H&M as liars. *

I don't believe I am trying to twist things - you said, in each and every chapter he tells us when that memory is hazy, and that if his memories are flawed it's because they may have been fed to him by the RF.

I am simply asking - does he really claim that those examples I gave are faulty memories fed to him by the RF? Why would they tell him he is descended from Henry VI or that his flight instructor did something that he didn't do?

If he really truly doesn't know when he's doing this, wouldn't it be better for him to check? And maybe say, "when I was thinking back to the Queen Mother's death, I had a memory of being at school and hearing the news from a courtier. It's so interesting because it's not true at all, I was skiing with my dad and brother - but it seems like I am so locked in a cycle of blaming my family for slights against me that my memory is now inventing slights that never even happened." (Or whatever he thinks is going on there.)

Well, what if it was William and/or Charles? That would be a crisis of epic proportions.

I am simply asking - does he really claim that those examples I gave are faulty memories fed to him by the RF?

No. You’d actually need to read the book though, wouldn’t you. To see it all in context. Taking snippets out isn’t going to give you a fair picture of what he thinks.

But nobody can deny the royal family have a racism problem and Harry isn’t the only one to say they have.

That's true - there's that one famous member who has had to apologise twice for racism. I forget his name.

The biggest problem I think with the Oprah interview is that what Meghan described is clearly racism and yet now they seem to be trying to minimise it. I mean wtf is that about?

No. You’d actually need to read the book though, wouldn’t you. To see it all in context.

Ok - so those are not fed to him - what are they then, lies, mistakes, forgot to check, checked but left them in anyway?

It really undermines the narrative that the book is about putting the record straight and correcting history when you don't know what's true and what isn't, and sometimes he warns you and sometimes he doesn't.