In 3 years a Jubilee, Coronation, 2 x state funerals - how much?

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Seriously - since 2021 we have had 4 massive events.

Why is it so hard to find the costs / spend.

Not the usual "a pound per person, worth it, billions in tourisim".

Transparent, freely available, hard core numbers?

How much did we, as a nation, spend on these events in the past three years?

It should be easy.

But again we pay for them to travel from one end of the Country to the other everyday, stay in hotels go to meetings, travel from one base to another etc etc.
Yes it might be more than most weekends, but I bet we saved on flights abroad this week!

Funnily enough I was having that conversation with my husband yesterday. We're entering a long dry period for Royal events unless there is an untimely death, so I think they will keep it up their sleeve as an option to boost interest in the RF at some point in the future, although it's probably a double-edged sword as there are Welsh objections to the role.

What troubles me about this idea is that it seems to be wishing that ER II had died before the Jubilee.

Because that's the only way that the number of ceremonies would have been lower.

State funeral is followed by a coronation (the two ends, IYSWIM, of a change in monarch)

Philip didn't have a state funeral - he had a royal ceremonial funeral (as did Diana, as did HMQM) and his was as slim as it could be, given that it was during covid and entirely within Windsor Castle. Last State funeral (before ER II) was Winston Churchill - a popular decision (in both senses of the word).

Quite a lot were put up in Sandhurst (where most of the rehearsals were) plus there's oodles of temp accommodation in/around Aldershot. So yes, they were using existing provision for those stationed far away (inc overseas)

Then they came to London by special trooping trains to Waterloo (and gave some nice moments to passers by who saw them march over to Wellington Barracks (muster point)

It's made me quite sad thinking that there will be nothing for possibly decades if Charles lives a long life. Obviously it's just the way it goes but he's come to the throne too late to realistically be having jubilees of any description. Going to be a very long time before we see anyone on that balcony again. The tourists love it and good for our economy and 'brand'

Well, if Charles lives a long life, to 99 - the same as his father - then we might get a Silver Jubilee in 2027.

Otherwise it's the morbid prospect of his death and coronation of the next heir.

Not so different to 1952 - except that the new Queen was so much younger, so there was even less likelihood of anything before 25 years.

I am possibly being a bit thick here, but how can Charles have a silver jubilee in 2027 when he's only been Monarch for 5 years?

Isn't that 25 years?

Because I made a typo of course!

2047

Won't George's wedding be the next royal event ( big).

That's if nothing happens to Chas or Cams .

Thanks! No worries, I didn't mean to make a thing of it, sorry

Could be - but he's only 9, so it could easily be 20+ years away

It makes a massive difference that she was so much younger though, I mean realistically a Silver jubilee if he reaches 97?! Even I think that would be quite the punt

People are very confidently assuming Charles will live as long as his parents, and reign until his death as his mother did - I mean, I know royals benefit from healthcare the rest of us can only dream of and so do tend to stay well and mobile into very old age but it isn't guaranteed. Forgive a slightly morbid tastelessness here, but we could have more state funerals (will Camilla ultimately have one?) and a coronation far sooner than George's wedding, should he choose to marry. And I certainly would like to know the cost and benefit to the public of these lavish events particularly when the Tory government are always arguing for austerity. I don't understand how anyone can justify secrecy around the numbers - if you're convinced it leaves the country in profit, why wouldn't you welcome the publication of the actual figures so we can all see?

I'm not that fussed about the royals but I suppose it's good for tourism and promoting the UK.

It's just a part of being British I suppose, if people didn't like it then they don't have to watch. I work in a restaurant/bar in Northern Ireland and yesterday was really busy because of coronation so I'm not complaining.

It was also nice seeing photos of my family in England, who had a street party as well. Other countries are really patriotic so it's nice when we finally do get the union jacks out. Sometimes it feels like people are ashamed of being British.

Or 1 Coronation in 70 years, the State Funeral of the Queen was the first since 1965 (Winston Churchill).

The Sovereign Grant is paid by the profits from of Crown Estate. Significantly more money goes into the Treasury each year than is paid to the royal family through the Sovereign Grant. So of the money you are paying through your taxes pays for the royal family. £312 million was given to the treasury last year, 25% of that was given in the Sovereign Grant.

A lot of them got the train at 3.30am and were back to barracks on an evening train. Widely publicised.

That wasn't quite the point I intended to make.

In 1952, we knew there wouldn't be anything for the next 25 years (though we did get a non-Royal state funeral in 1965)

And the monarchy and its visibility was fine. Any difference is that the chances we won't have to wait that long are rather higher.

So it might be nothing until a Silver Jubilee (like those in the 1950s knew was likely next event and yonks away) but there's also the chance we might not have to wait that long - another funeral/coronation before that point, or as George is 5 years older that Charles was at his mother's accession, the outside chance of a direct line heir's wedding.

A monarch dying is always going to result in a state funeral and coronation. It’s not like historically we have a history of having lots of jubilees. Perhaps QEII should have done the decent thing and died a couple of years ago to avoid the last jubilee, and had a similar funeral to Philip due to covid (although Philip had always made it clear he didn’t want a state funeral).

Actually I am very interested in value.

Very interested indeed.

Another republican thread with an axe to grind.

The funeral and the coronation inevitably go together. Hopefully it'll be quiet from now on.
Its good for tourism and our worldwide visibility so helps exports. Its an impossible figure to calculate because of the checks and balances.

Me too. But people don't like to question things, they are happy with a fait accompli and just very accepting of anything and everything.

For example!

I am sorry @Reality

I am not sure it works in that tidy way @Stillcountingbeans

Although you may well know more that me going by your username!