In 3 years a Jubilee, Coronation, 2 x state funerals - how much?

[4plusthehound]

Seriously - since 2021 we have had 4 massive events.

Why is it so hard to find the costs / spend.

Not the usual "a pound per person, worth it, billions in tourisim".

Transparent, freely available, hard core numbers?

How much did we, as a nation, spend on these events in the past three years?

It should be easy.

But billions banishing into thin air vs events which some of the public attended and enjoyed which cost a lot less and put money into the pockets of many working class people also.

King Charles 111 Coronation will cost between 100-150 million, the revenue it will bring in is 1 billion.

These numbers here, said with such confidence are the ones I cannot make work. The infromation is so murky. It is hard to find, not centralized, unclear, and seems to come mainly from the royals themselves or royal adjacent. They obviously have a vested interest.

Exactly what it says. Are you having an off day or is general comprehension not your strong point.

Fact check - they’re not all less well off. At least 2/3 of the total welfare spend is on the State Pension, much of which is paid to people who have no need for it at all.

Yes many are in poverty, around 14%, but more than half of all pensioners are in the top half of the overall income distribution in the country. In fact 15% of pensioner households own at least one second property.

And no todays pensioners did not pay into their own state pension, they paid for the pensions of pensioners throughout the years they were working. It’s todays taxpayers paying who are paying for todays State Pension payments.

Just saying there are different definitions of what is fair.

Also OP, what do you understand by televised rights.

Hands up I know nothing at all about TV rights. How they pump millions into the economy defeats me.

You seem a little naive when it comes to fairly simple economics.

I may well be naive when it comes to simple economics but I do know when it is hard to find a price. And in this case, it is hard to find the total cost to the nation of the coronation, the state funeral, the near state funeral, the jubilee.

This is a very interesting analysis of pensions and who gets what .

I would love this kind of analysis of the money we spend on the Royal family.

That kind of transparency and analysis is what we need.

It's difficult to quantify the actual cost because you have to think about what we're paying for so yesterday
Gold coach - none it's ours already
Other coaches same
Crowns same
Westminster Abbey - same
Military paid 24/7/52 anyway
Clergy - paid anyway
Police extra overtime
Security extra people
Did we pay for Camilla's gown & the 'Super Tunica' ? probably

So most of the actual real money changing hands is going into the pockets of normal working people which isn't a bad thing!

There may be calculated costs of bringing London to a stand still, or closing roads, or Amazon deliveries or whatever but some of that will be mitigated by busier pubs, restaurants, hotels

The the actual cold hard cash changing hands which be much lower than the 'total cost'

Terribly thoughtless of the Queen to die so close to the jubilee. She really should have scheduled a longer gap to make it more palatable for you. And also scheduled the DofE to die at the same time so they could have had a double funeral to save costs.

The smallish gap between the State funeral of one Monarch and the coronation of the next is just how it goes. It would be silly to crown the new monarch 5 years after they ascend to the throne, just to spread events out a bit.

I am having a decent day @kitsuneghost , thanks for asking.

General comprehension can be tricky sometimes I grant you! In this case I am quite stunned that the royals would be compared to people on benefits.

But thinking about it...

It will be at least 25 years before a Jubilee (and that is not certain of course), a long time before a funeral and then a Coronation again.

Think of all the expense from the public purse there will be meanwhile that will not bring a single penny in tourism, or other income. Cabinet minister severance pay for example, to people most of whom none of us would ever employ.

My pondering is on the true costs of these events - not that the people involved should have timed their deaths.

Don't be silly.

These events can be small, medium or large.

This family is very expensive and also very rich.

We should ask and we should be given transparent answers - including on security 9which we cannot know because ....security).

I have to step away for a bit - sorry!

I would love this kind of analysis of the money we spend on the Royal family. Let's reduce everything to spreadsheets. You want to know the cost of everything but you're not interested in the value

My cafe lost 75% of our usual Saturday
takings yesterday. Good for the economy, my arse.

IMHO it is absolutely daft to be complaining about 'the cost to the economy' of an extra bank holiday. We all work to live, not live to work. Does anyone actually think that they should go to work tomorrow to stop the economy suffering?

The supertunica, and I expect many of the other costumes/uniforms, were already in existence. There will be costs for fitting/adjusting, dry cleaning, etc. Some dresses etc. would have been new.

But that is an absolute drop in the ocean compared to the main cost, which was of course salaries/wages. Which go directly to ordinary workers. Who then spend in the economy - which is what we need.
(Some may use the extra pay to pay landlords/mortgages or put into stock-market pensions, - which is another discussion)

You do have to pay for armed forces and police accommodation who were brought to London for the coronation .

@4plusthehound
Might be worth adding in the money lost from the lack of inheritance tax on the Queen's estate as well!

You do have to pay for armed forces and police accommodation who were brought to London for the coronation

Can’t talk for the police but don’t forget a lot of the army contingent, especially the ceremonial “specialists”, are stationed in London anyway ( e.g at places such Hyde Park and Wellington Barracks).

From what I’ve heard most of the others HM Forces involved (e.g. RN, RAF) were accommodated in MOD accommodation in and around London…we’re certainly not talking about paying 5 star hotel rack rates.

t will be at least 25 years before a Jubilee (and that is not certain of course), a long time before a funeral and then a Coronation again.

If Charles really is 'long to reign over us' it might be that the next big Royal event is the wedding of George - if he married at 30 that would come before a Silver Jubilee (which would require Charles to live to the same age as his dad).

@notimagain No of course we are not talking 5* accommodation but they do also get allowances , although it may have changed since we left .

Fair point..no idea how allowances works now, even Pay as You Dine was a distant dream (?nightmare) when I left.

Arent the sharehilders paid after the tax has been paid? Are you saying there's no tax on the extra profits?

I mean the cheek of Prince Philip dieing so close to the Jubilee and then The Queen dieing so soon after him. Then the audacity of King Charles to have a Coronation in quick succession. The gawl.

... there will be no royal events in the near future

Unless they go for an Investiture for William as Prince of Wales

I'm pretty sure it's been said there are "no plans for this" at the moment, but who knows if that will change?

On BBC they were saying that armed forces came from all over Great Britain for this, and from abroad. Not just London.

I even know of a plane coming from Amsterdam for the flypast (long story as to how I know this) that because of the weather didn't fly