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Earl Spencer not invited to coronation.

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GrazingSheep · 04/05/2023 23:01

Have Diana’s sisters been invited?

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WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 05/05/2023 00:48

Are Ant and Dec worthy?

This is in no way casting any aspersions on A&D in any way whatsoever; but that comment has just made me realise that, were he still alive, a certain elderly cigar-smoking DJ, who was very close to Charles for many years, would almost certainly have had Charles fix it for him to be on the coronation guest list as well.

AskMeMore · 05/05/2023 01:14

Soontobe60 · 04/05/2023 23:05

Would you invite your ex husbands brother to your wedding with your second husband? that would just be weird. I’m sure he’ll get an invite to Will’s coronation though as he’s his actual relative.

He is the Heirs Uncle, so a close relative.

limoncello23 · 05/05/2023 01:37

GrazingSheep · 05/05/2023 00:30

Camilla's ex has many links to the Royal family that are not Camilla related. His father was a close friend of HM The Queen and the Queen Mother, he played polo with Charles, was a boyfriend/lover of Princess Anne for several years and is still a very close friend, is godfather to Zara Tindall, is grandparent to three of the pages, Commander of the Household Cavalry and the Royal Army Veterinary Corps, Silver Stick in Waiting to the late Queen. He remains a close friend of both Camilla and Charles. Seems worthy in an invite.

Are Ant and Dec worthy?

They are ambassadors for the Princes Trust. So it makes sense that they have been invited.

vera99 · 05/05/2023 07:41

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 05/05/2023 00:23

Camilla's ex-husband is invited, apparently, which might seem even odder in a way - considering that neither Charles nor Earl Spencer betrayed/cheated on each other directly.

I'm no fan of the monarchy, and this coronation (the first in my lifetime) just brings it home that, for a 'democratic' country, we can behave breathtakingly and wantonly undemocratically; but I do think that Charles is facing an uphill battle here, which will probably be the mark of his whole reign. If he invites popular celebrities who will be familiar to hoi polloi, in an attempt (however successful) to make it seem a bit more relevant and meaningful to us all, he is criticised; if he only invites a load of dusty old aristocrats that most of us don't have a clue about, he will be criticised again for being elitist and out of touch with the common people.

The Queen was in the very unusual position of coming to the throne very young and thus spending most of her life as the monarch. It seemed quite natural as she grew with the role and had seven decades to make it uniquely her own, as well as only having a few adult years beforehand in which to make bad decisions that people would forever resent her for.

Charles has spent the great majority of his life filling time whilst waiting for the job - during which he has made numerous very unpopular decisions (as would many of us in that timeframe, but the Daily Mail don't care about us). Now he's finally there, he may only have one decade in the role; highly unlikely to be more than two. I can't see him carving out a grand reputation as monarch for himself; I think more likely he will come to be seen in history as just a bit of a caretaker between QE2 and King William V.

Very well said, from hereon it's downhill. With a lot of the "stuff it"net-zero Tories (Farage is swimming in that populist pool) thinking that he is a woke King and actual younger 'woke' folk thinking "what is this all about", a white elderly man and his second wife literally lording over us when their issues are housing, employment, pensions, the NHS, mental health, war and do they actually have a future ?

After the splurge it parties - reality will beckon once again. I'm not sure what problem monarchy actually solves except to make some people feel good about themselves and their national identity and in a nation that seems unable to address key issues that affect the destinies of the young that are our future. It's an elegant construct but ultimately an expensive empty box. The emperor does indeed have no clothes.

To many they are a stark reminder of inequality, privilege and a country that has lost its way. He's going to have to attend a whole host of Commonwealth flag down ceremonies where independent nations decide to become republics at long last which will probably end up being a rout. The 3 nations of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are increasingly seeing their identity as nations free of the shackles of the centre ruled by London which lest we forget is where they actually live and where the Coronation takes place.

For the monarchy to steal a quote from Churchill now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

Have a great weekend !

derxa · 05/05/2023 07:47

The 3 nations of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are increasingly seeing their identity as nations free of the shackles of the centre ruled by London which lest we forget is where they actually live and where the Coronation takes place. OMG have you seen the state of the Scottish Govt lately? Are you English?

MsWhitworth · 05/05/2023 07:53

vera99 · 05/05/2023 07:41

Very well said, from hereon it's downhill. With a lot of the "stuff it"net-zero Tories (Farage is swimming in that populist pool) thinking that he is a woke King and actual younger 'woke' folk thinking "what is this all about", a white elderly man and his second wife literally lording over us when their issues are housing, employment, pensions, the NHS, mental health, war and do they actually have a future ?

After the splurge it parties - reality will beckon once again. I'm not sure what problem monarchy actually solves except to make some people feel good about themselves and their national identity and in a nation that seems unable to address key issues that affect the destinies of the young that are our future. It's an elegant construct but ultimately an expensive empty box. The emperor does indeed have no clothes.

To many they are a stark reminder of inequality, privilege and a country that has lost its way. He's going to have to attend a whole host of Commonwealth flag down ceremonies where independent nations decide to become republics at long last which will probably end up being a rout. The 3 nations of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are increasingly seeing their identity as nations free of the shackles of the centre ruled by London which lest we forget is where they actually live and where the Coronation takes place.

For the monarchy to steal a quote from Churchill now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

Have a great weekend !

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Well written but none of it accounts for the fact that the majority of people in the UK want to keep the monarchy. There is no serious republican movement in this country and indeed, never has been in modern times.

SpringNotSprung · 05/05/2023 07:53

He's lucky to be alive after the speech he gave at Diana's funeral. Roll back three or four centuries and he'd have lost his head and the argument would be academic.

vera99 · 05/05/2023 07:59

derxa · 05/05/2023 07:47

The 3 nations of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are increasingly seeing their identity as nations free of the shackles of the centre ruled by London which lest we forget is where they actually live and where the Coronation takes place. OMG have you seen the state of the Scottish Govt lately? Are you English?

Yes a northerner who moved down south.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 05/05/2023 08:02

Well written but none of it accounts for the fact that the majority of people in the UK want to keep the monarchy. There is no serious republican movement in this country and indeed, never has been in modern times.

How certain are we of that, though? None of us alive now have ever known any different in our country to having a monarchy; and it's a stereotypically very British thing to 'not make a fuss' and keep the status quo.

The monarchy is supposedly a 'soft' power and 'by consent', but I'm far from convinced that those who would stand to lose so very much power, wealth and influence would cheerfully just sit back and let it happen, if there were a groundswell threatening to jeopardise their extremely privileged position. Most people only bring out their big guns when there is an extant threat that they feel the need to shoot at.

WimpoleHat · 05/05/2023 08:08

He is the Heirs Uncle, so a close relative.

So perfectly appropriate for him to be invited to William’s coronation. But he’s the brother of the King’s ex wife and, by the sound of it, spaces are limited. If they aren’t close personal friends (and not from what I’ve seen!), then no reason at all to ask him.

vera99 · 05/05/2023 08:10

MsWhitworth · 05/05/2023 07:53

Well written but none of it accounts for the fact that the majority of people in the UK want to keep the monarchy. There is no serious republican movement in this country and indeed, never has been in modern times.

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Thanks I know, and no mainstream party will touch it. The Firm is still firm if a little shaken post HMTLQ. Sadly the problems the country (and the world) faces are huge, Ed Milliband was on the radio yesterday opining that a lot of folks think they are basically unfixable (he doesn't, and he is good guy - traduced for eating a bacon sandwich weirdly !) and since the Crown needs to stay out of that debate they are not part of the solution. Indeed, they are an essential component in legitimising the agency of the State, a state that can be abused by politicians in pursuance of sectional interests - every stinking time !

polkadotdalmation · 05/05/2023 08:11

Is he still alive? He wasn't in good health when Charles and Diana got married.

WouldYouLikeYourMuffinButtered · 05/05/2023 08:13

He's trying to keep the guest list down so that the final bill is only half a billion quid. Man of the people n all that.

Womencanlift · 05/05/2023 08:13

polkadotdalmation · 05/05/2023 08:11

Is he still alive? He wasn't in good health when Charles and Diana got married.

OP is talking about Diana’s brother not her dad who died decades ago. The guy who did that speech at her funeral

Gorganzolabrie · 05/05/2023 08:16

@IWantRebeccasConfidence

There’s loads of earls, nobility, lords or whatever. They do not deserve an invite by way of their birth.

I agree. By the same logic King Charles doesn't deserve to be king "by way of (his) birth".

MsWhitworth · 05/05/2023 08:19

The monarchy is supposedly a 'soft' power and 'by consent', but I'm far from convinced that those who would stand to lose so very much power, wealth and influence would cheerfully just sit back and let it happen, if there were a groundswell threatening to jeopardise their extremely privileged position. Most people only bring out their big guns when there is an extant threat that they feel the need to shoot at

Correct and that ironically also accounts for why there is no movement to abolish the monarchy in the UK. They have no real power so people see them as harmless and can’t get themselves worked up about it. If they started abusing their position in a serious way, then I think people would get stirred up enough for republicanism to take hold.

Rockybooboo · 05/05/2023 08:24

IWantRebeccasConfidence · 04/05/2023 23:09

There’s loads of earls, nobility, lords or whatever. They do not deserve an invite by way of their birth.

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Yes nobody deserves anything by way of their birth. They should have strived for it and got there by merit just like Cha....oh hang on.

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 05/05/2023 08:25

GrazingSheep · 04/05/2023 23:36

He was at both nephews weddings.

Presumably his nephews invited him.
I couldn’t give a fiddlers really; it’s just the headline news this evening in the Independent website.

You couldn't give a fiddle yet started a thread?

LakeTiticaca · 05/05/2023 08:26

Charles getting his revenge at last for Spencers funeral speech 😉😉

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GrazingSheep · 05/05/2023 08:48

@NowZeusHasLainWithLeda
Yep.

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Mossandlichen678 · 05/05/2023 08:57

YellowAndGreenToBeSeen · 04/05/2023 23:16

Is he really NFI?

If so then, indeed OP, quite the statement. To leave out a significant Earl (the Uncle of the Heir to the Throne) is quite the comment. Especially when said Earl is arguably more aristocratic than the Monarch.

And I’m a Republican.

Well it fits in with C&C’s wish to write Diana completely out of the history books.

derxa · 05/05/2023 08:57

vera99 · 05/05/2023 08:26

There are people who turn down invitations to enter the gilded cage !

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/23495407.buckingham-palace---day-invited-tea/

She sounds like a self aggrandising twit.

Whaeanui · 05/05/2023 09:04

I really can’t see why this is headline news? I wouldn’t expect him to be invited or even accept an invitation if he was. No love lost there.

vera99 · 05/05/2023 09:22

He's probably busy watching TV on the day. 😂

David Frost once phoned Peter Cook and invited him to dinner with Prince Andrew and wife. Peter Cook said “Checking my diary I find I’m watching television that evening”

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