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The lack of enthusiasm for the Coronation

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MamoruHisaishi · 02/05/2023 12:53

I know this is shallow but I think part of the reason why people aren't enthusiastic about Charles’ coronation is that neither he nor Camilla have movie star good looks plus they're both in their 70s. I bet if both were in their 30s or even 40s, and Charles looked like Pierce Brosnan and Camilla looked like Angelina Jolie, they would have the world fawning over them and their Coronation.

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Roussette · 06/05/2023 22:03

AskMeMore · 06/05/2023 22:00

The only person I see being attacked personally is Rousette.

Thank you. Not on here but elsewhere at different times. Luckily I have the hide of a very old wrinkly rhinocerus and mostly (not always) it washes over me.

Coxspurplepippin · 06/05/2023 22:05

Confirmation bias in action though, isn't it? You see no attacks on those who disagree with you, you don't believe they happen.

MamoruHisaishi · 06/05/2023 22:13

Here's something I wasnt expecting: there were people in the Philippines, a non Commonweath country in Asia, that were ‘celebrating’ the coronation in the form of a coronation picnic. These people were being interviewed on tv and they were saying how excited and curious they were to see a coronation as they'd never seen one before, and were even waving little UK flags everywhere. So maybe I might reassess what I originally wrote, and think that this coronation and other royal events really are a form of good PR for the UK. I must say that it was fun seeing all the regalia and the traditions and pageantry, even my mum who is definitely not pro monarchy, ended up watching it and was impressed with the parades and so on.

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AskMeMore · 06/05/2023 22:15

@Roussette I don't know how you deal with all the personal attacks and hounding on here.

Roussette · 06/05/2023 22:23

AskMeMore · 06/05/2023 22:15

@Roussette I don't know how you deal with all the personal attacks and hounding on here.

I take breaks. That doesn't get noticed even if I do, hey ho

CremeEggQueen · 06/05/2023 22:30

Roussette · 06/05/2023 22:23

I take breaks. That doesn't get noticed even if I do, hey ho

I recognise ya and have spoken and agreed with you multiple times under a previous user name of mine 😁
The amount of crap you get for talking sense is off the scale lol
Keep doing you and speaking to the rest of us as we can't help any frothers

Roussette · 06/05/2023 22:40

CremeEggQueen · 06/05/2023 22:30

I recognise ya and have spoken and agreed with you multiple times under a previous user name of mine 😁
The amount of crap you get for talking sense is off the scale lol
Keep doing you and speaking to the rest of us as we can't help any frothers

Awww thank you. KOKO is my motto (sometimes!)

vera99 · 06/05/2023 22:43

Boudicasbeard · 06/05/2023 20:45

There is a really good thread on Reddit (which is hardly a monarchist space) that explains clearly why people were arrested today.

The Met tweeted that they were arrested for suspected breach of the peace. Today was a huge counter terrorism operation. Any commotion in the crowd would have had a huge ripple effect. There were tens of thousands( if not hundreds of thousands) of people moving through a small area of London. All it takes is one bad moment (one fracas between a royal supporter and a Republic member) to bring about a huge incident- this is how riots start.

So the police obviously took the decision to remove anyone who was aggressively protesting. There were many people with placards standing quietly who were left alone.

But the ones who were shouting and being intimidating were removed- see the woman who was having a go at the mounted Calvary guy. She had no support from the crowd. The police stepped on before it got ugly.

Managing people on this scale is very dicey. Republic were given space in Traflgar Square and some of them chose to try to get into the mall. Which could have led to altercations.

Fair enough no problem with that, but how do you explain the early arrest of the leadership team that had negotiated with the Police for 6 months in good faith ?

vera99 · 06/05/2023 22:47

Roussette · 06/05/2023 22:23

I take breaks. That doesn't get noticed even if I do, hey ho

@Roussette you are a calm, educated inspiration to many of us. I could learn a lot from your approach. Keep on keeping on. 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹

BishopRock · 06/05/2023 22:48

When it’s Williams turn, it’s likely they will be pretty old too.

I doubt Charles will last much more than a decade, so William would be about 50. * *

CremeEggQueen · 06/05/2023 23:14

Roussette · 06/05/2023 22:40

Awww thank you. KOKO is my motto (sometimes!)

Same 😁

Flute56 · 06/05/2023 23:51

I sat and watched the coronation and I have to say I found it boring. The music and singing was nice but I have no enthusiasm for Charls or Camilla. It is not because of their age but their personality. They try their best but they never really cut it as far as I am concerned. I will never accept Camilla as Queen but I guess she is so we just have to accept it. I loved our late Queen and the Queen Mother but something about our current King and Queen I just cannot put my finger on. I still wonder if Charles had stayed married to Diana and Diana had not died, what sort of Queen would she have made? As for Harry, he should have been made to stay in England and not run off to the USA with Megan. Most of the Royal family are divorced. Princess Margarets children have been allowed to live separate lives more or less as ordinary people. They are not ordinary, they are Royals.

I am getting very bored with the Royal Family now and why do they always say how much Catherines clothes and accessories cost? Like we give a toss

clyspa · 07/05/2023 03:26

I enjoyed it and loved seeing our history and pageantry in use.

I think it went very well for those who wanted to participate and that appears to be a lot - if not all in the same way (I had family who went to watch it live in the mall, family who watched vaguely at home and some who went the whole hog and had parties)

I also know family/people who had no interest and went about their business.

I'm happy with this and see no need to change it.

I think there are bigger problems with our society frankly and agree with a different poster that there are no compelling alternatives at present.

I'm hoping we can now have a period of boring service without the family dramatics.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/05/2023 07:31

I didn’t even put the tv on.

HumanBurrito · 07/05/2023 10:10

I am a huge anti-royalist. One thing that strikes me as the mother of a 9 yr old boy is how cruel it is to those kids to force them into this life. What if George wants to choose his own life? He can't.

Roussette · 07/05/2023 11:17

HumanBurrito · 07/05/2023 10:10

I am a huge anti-royalist. One thing that strikes me as the mother of a 9 yr old boy is how cruel it is to those kids to force them into this life. What if George wants to choose his own life? He can't.

I totally agree with you. But I am careful what I say because I have been attacked on here for daring to say what you have just said.

Personally, I feel sorry for the little ones. Of course K&W are working hard to make their lives more normal than W&H had, but still.... I always think about that moment when as a little one, the penny drops as to what is expected of you for the rest of your life

AuroraCake · 07/05/2023 11:19

HumanBurrito · 07/05/2023 10:10

I am a huge anti-royalist. One thing that strikes me as the mother of a 9 yr old boy is how cruel it is to those kids to force them into this life. What if George wants to choose his own life? He can't.

Well he can. Always a choice. He has siblings.

Roussette · 07/05/2023 11:26

AuroraCake · 07/05/2023 11:19

Well he can. Always a choice. He has siblings.

A choice that would rock the whole country. And the publicity and media maligning him for that would probably near destroy someone.

The weight of guilt on him would rest forever.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/05/2023 11:27

It just not check out with my logic filter that ‘secret laws’ are being made by the royal family that no one knows about

I realise some of this was answered last night, boudicasbeard, but you might want to look into the role of the Privy (as in private) Council in enacting Consent as opposed to Assent

Whaeanui · 07/05/2023 11:32

Roussette · 07/05/2023 11:26

A choice that would rock the whole country. And the publicity and media maligning him for that would probably near destroy someone.

The weight of guilt on him would rest forever.

Exactly. Even Harry leaving has been awful so none of the direct line have a choice if they don’t want to be persecuted for the rest of their lives.

BishopRock · 07/05/2023 11:32

Diana tried to make William and Harry's lives a lot more normal than Charles' and his siblings. Trips to Alton Towers etc.

George must know by now that his desiny is to be King and I think to bring up a child with their lives mapped out like that is awful.

We don't look favourably on other families who push their children into certain careers, and nor should we. We know how damaging it is. George will likely never be able to pursue his own goals and dreams, instead having to work within the confines of a very narrow framework in order to satisfy a certain percentage of the public who want a monarchy.

Rockybooboo · 07/05/2023 11:33

Roussette · 07/05/2023 11:26

A choice that would rock the whole country. And the publicity and media maligning him for that would probably near destroy someone.

The weight of guilt on him would rest forever.

Yes look at the way the publc and press have turned against Harry. George will have seen that and be terrified.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/05/2023 11:38

Agree about the likely attacks on George if he turned away, Roussette, but let's not forget that's from the POV of today's sensibilities, with the Queen not long dead and Charles a bit of a busted flush meaning that many monarchists actively want better things to hope for in future

However attitudes can change - indeed are already changing - and unless W&K can make a hell of a difference there's no knowing how George's own decisions may be viewed down the line

derxa · 07/05/2023 11:45

Boudicasbeard · 06/05/2023 21:35

I have no problem with it. Works well generally as a system. I have yet to see a system of government that doesn’t have flaws. So I don’t think the upheaval of abolishing it and making a change would be worth it in the long run.

But that is my opinion.

I also think that I wouldn’t trust politicians to hold in trust everything the royal family looks after for us - estates, art collections etc. It would be sold off in dribs and drabs to the Uber wealthy and we’d never see a penny. Anyone who think that we could kick them out and house single parent families in Buckingham Palace lives in cloud cuckoo land. It would be a 5 star hotel- sold to a developer (obviously a good mate of the government like Michelle Moane).

Totally agree

Fortboyard · 07/05/2023 11:46

I said the same myself about the children yesterday. It is tantamount to abuse to raise children in such a high pressure, media-scrutinised way. The queen and the generations before experienced far far less of this pressure. That pressure of expectation resulted in royals marrying people that they shouldn’t have chosen. That leads to unhappy marriages and distressed kids. Imagine if your every outfit, action and comment was seized upon and judged, personally I don’t know how any of them make it through the day.

The pressure/expectation comes from the media-consuming public. The actual responsibility for this is on the shoulders of those who buy and consume the media that simultaneously lauds and vilifies them. The cult of royalty and celebrity is totally toxic.