The PR Whodunnit?

[StormzyinaTCup]

So what is this all about then?
Who did it and why?
And whoever's PR team is responsible needs tearing off a strip, it's going to backfire.
I know there was a thread about this earlier today but it was deleted due to questions over how genuine the OP was. As this story is everywhere at the moment I thought I would have a try myself and see how we go. Just a couple of preemptive points:

1. My MN credentials are rock solid so don't anyone even go there😁
2. Lets also keep some perspective, at the end of the day we are talking about a bunch of privileged and entitled millionaires who likely wouldn't even pee on us if we were on fire and that goes for both 'sides'.

https://news.sky.com/story/meghan-wrote-to-king-charles-expressing-concern-about-unconscious-bias-in-the-royal-family-reports-12863044

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I think it is of mutual benefit to retract it. Most people are fairly sure what made the comment (given the clues offered) and also that the comment was ambiguous. At the same time, Harry and Meghan have finally realised that they are not talented or interesting in their own right so they need to keep on selling out the royals in order to make big money and if they go nuclear then they won't be allowed to retain a foot in the door. There is also a deadline as Charles (As king) will accommodate/tolerate Harry in ways in which William never will after he takes over.

I have that impression as well.

I also like the term soft republican - I'd vote for change and I think it will come possibly in my lifetime there's just no political momentum yet but in mean time I'm going to enjoy the pomp we're paying for.

I think that's it, @tigger2022 , irritation seems the right word.

If a terrible accident were to befall the rf (King Ralph, anybody?) you can bet your bottom dollar that Harry would be over here claiming the throne faster than the presses were running for the first edition of Spare.

It is simply bizarre that republicans should elect him a poster boy. Ditto anything to do with the environment, mental health and racism. The only thing he represented well was the Army, and he well and truly blew that one.

@diflasu and there's also a difference in supporting the institution vs feeling like you've known the actual members of it since either they or you were born. I don't think Charles should be King but a) I accept that he is, b) I acknowledge he had quite a difficult upbringing and had to make a lot of personal sacrifices, and c) it's just not very nice to watch him get publicly trashed by his own son

I really hope this isn’t a leak from the Sussex side although I can’t see why it would benefit BP to leak this especially so close to the coronation. I thought that M not coming to the Coronation was a way of her drawing a line and basically saying she’s not a member of the RF any more and moving forward with her life. It’s been over three years since H and M left the UK. They really need to move on.

I think it has to be Meghan's team but it could be someone went rogue or a friend is talking to the press on their own initiative

Like a friend would be bothered enough to talk about her in their spare time without her even knowing about it. That is a reach.

@MrsFinkelstein That is certainly a type of circular and illogical reasoning you've pointed out there.

It's where royal reporters got most of their stories from before H&M started

I think there is quite some confusion here about 'republican' and 'royalist'.
There are are several camps.

• The filthy repugnant racist who see H as a 'race traitor'
• The unconscious biased, who are actually racist, but unconsciously try to cover up their deep thoughts that MM is in a place she does not belong, by coming up with imagines slights and 'behaviour' she seems to project
• Conservative royalist who are embarrassed that this racism has been exposed.
• The anti racists who think a lot of critics fall in the above and will stand up against misogynoir, especially when it seems to be approved at a high level.
• Semi-republicans who did not mind the pomp and all, but now wonder why the rest of the royals do not do like H&M, enjoy their titles but stop taking from the taxpayer and stop with the racism/corruption etc.
• Republicans who think no one should bow and scrape and pay for a family.

H&M have a large following, so ofcourse the Republic would jump on any bandwagon that would highlight their cause. H&M followers are more than happy to join republicans with how the rf treated H&M.

Funny enough the rf brought this upon themselves when they made this world out war against H&M, instead of letting them disappear in Canada, doing charity work. I don't think the thought that they are paying for themselves or not would have even featured in people's minds.

I was clearly a 'leak' orchestrated by H&M to distract attention away from the coronation (it won't for more than a day or two) because it only benefits them. The telegraph is Team Sussex as Harry himself said on Netflix, they were the only paper that was not a tabloid, so it's clear they would leak to a 'friendly' newspaper.

The way it's done is the same as the Scobie communications for Finding Freedom, only this time there are no palace officials, or anyone else who is honest, who can produce emails pointing out meghans lies.

The shock to the Sussexes and the telegraph, is that Charles has decided 'never complain' etc has had its day and has instructed his legal team. This scenario is highly similar to the Meghan Markle and Thomas Markle court case regarding private correspondence, where Thomas lost for leaking. I'm sure H&M have played it at a very long arms length and it won't come back on them.

The Sussex's have instructed their own legal team, but as lawyers simply do as they're told, nothing will come to light. The telegraph itself has rowed back on its claims in later updates, and the 'journalist' is a pro H&M reporter as evidenced by her puff piece re the Sentebale charity and the Sussex squad...with a nice picture of Harry and an African child.

Since when has Victoria Ward of all people been pro H&M?

The hypocrisy of Harry is he wants his children recognised as Prince and Princess because his dad happened to be born first

however it’s not fair William gets different treatment because he was born first

Its how it works mate if u don’t think it’s fair then give ur kid’s titles back as they only have them because ur dad was born before Anne / Andrew/Edward- and poor Ann was even pushed down the line because she was a girl

such a cry baby hypocrite!!

Absolutely. He's obviously incredibly irritated he's not the heir.

In the same manner that Meghan has totally embraced all that the Monarchy can offer, and her irritations were the same as Harry's.

Hence why she continues to use her full title, and why they decided to use the Prince/cess titles for their children, and not the "lesser" titles of Earl & Lady they could have used from birth.

@Lockupyourbiscuits Harry and Meghan are too tone deaf to see hypocrisy in any of their actions I'm afraid.

It literally makes no sense!

Interesting thread @StormzyinaTCup ! , just a shame I can't think of anything new that hasn't already been mentioned!
Enjoying reading others thoughts though.

👋@jeffgoldblum

I’m just catching up.

think that's it, @tigger2022 , irritation seems the right word.

Just pondering on this point and yes he is clearly irritated, however, I do wonder what the main driver is for this, is it a ‘spare’ problem or a William problem?

There is definitely a whole lot going on with Harry in his head and plenty of work for someone to try and unpick.

Would someone mind clarifying for me what went on with the statements/legal letters retractions, I feel I have missed a piece of the jigsaw somewhere.

In Harry's own word on Netflix... he was saying (correctly) how bad the British press were, but said the telegraph was not a tabloid like the rest.

So it's 'interesting' this 'leak' is printed in a 'friendly' paper?

Unexpectedly, going on over 2 years of 'never complain' which allowed the Sussexes to shoot fish in a barrel without consequences, Charles has sent in the legals. Hence a big draw back on the telegraphs edits (about 4) withdrawing or modifying meghans comments on how it was still racism (let's stir that pot again).

As the RF probably has one of the best legal teams in the business, it may be another instance where Meghan (and maybe this time Harry?) have to apologise again. I'm sure though, they've been a bit cleverer and put a whole continent between them and the publication. Unlike last time.

@StormzyinaTCup Do you mean the telegraph drawing back on some of the comments? They have altered the original piece and some of meghans comments on racism (originally she still believed it was according to the piece) but these have been retracted or modified.

Charles and the Sussexes have sent legal letters, but I personally think it is window dressing on the Sx side.

Looks like CH (now BP) and KP are back to briefing against each other, a la pre-2017.

This is going to be entertaining!

Absurd to imagine that BP would see anything to be gained from stirring up more of this drivel before the coronation.

its just another desperate Sussex attempt to stay relevant. First the will they, won’t they attend drip feed, now this.

They announced Meghan wasn’t attending, no-one cared, so they are trying to reopen the debate

👍🏻thanks polkadotdalmation

Yes but the article is exploring the fact that it’s not exactly clear whether some of the exemptions put in place then, still apply to the Monarch today.