The PR Whodunnit?

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So what is this all about then?
Who did it and why?
And whoever's PR team is responsible needs tearing off a strip, it's going to backfire.
I know there was a thread about this earlier today but it was deleted due to questions over how genuine the OP was. As this story is everywhere at the moment I thought I would have a try myself and see how we go. Just a couple of preemptive points:

1. My MN credentials are rock solid so don't anyone even go there😁
2. Lets also keep some perspective, at the end of the day we are talking about a bunch of privileged and entitled millionaires who likely wouldn't even pee on us if we were on fire and that goes for both 'sides'.

https://news.sky.com/story/meghan-wrote-to-king-charles-expressing-concern-about-unconscious-bias-in-the-royal-family-reports-12863044

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Well, if it's not clear then that's a problem. However, it's a misrepresentation to say that, employment wise, they're carrying on like it's the 50s.

Oh it's a problem

Is it a surprise that the 'royals' exempted themselves from the law on this ?

So @Wingedinsectsunite - you are right to look further .

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal

"The documents also shed light on how Buckingham Palace negotiated controversial clauses – that remain in place to this day – exempting the Queen and her household from laws that prevent race and sex discrimination"

Documents
Not opinion .
I've seen some posters try to smear the Guardian .
They should be applauded for their efforts .
It's all documented

How strange that the OP is being diverted with racism reports dating back 60 years. It's so relevant in the 21st century where is no longer applicable.

Hence why she continues to use her full title, and why they decided to use the Prince/cess titles for their children, and not the "lesser" titles of Earl & Lady they could have used from birth.

I thought the titles of Duke and Duchess were a gift from the Queen on their marriage? And the kids' titles were automatically conferred under the appropriate letters patent? And that the Royal Family has now made a distinction between working and non working royals, but non-working royals with titles still use them?

So why shouldn't they use them?

And even if they didn't, would you forget that Harry is the son of the king, Meghan is his wife, and that the kids along with Harry remain in the LOS? Would you stop talking about them if they didn't use the titles? Would the press?

Using the titles or not using them does not change the fact of who they are.

No, but they don't have to use the styles.
I don't blame them, it's got to open a lot of doors. Future proofing for the children. However, not compulsory to use these titles. Their choice and their privilege indeed.

I think they’ve made such a huuuge mistake in keeping the titles & declaring them for the kids. In fact the whole flight from the RF was so badly played. They should have announced they would not use any titles moving forward - to live private lives in the US. Bought a less grand house to live in, perhaps something chic & elegant but not OTT on the East Cost and another in Cali. They could have hobnobbed in an understated way with the cream of Hollywood & US society, never calling paps but quietly attending things like the Oscars and the Met gala etc…and pursuing their own interests. They could have said discreet but lovely, positive things if asked about the royals and they would have been welcomed back in the U.K. for important events. Their kids would have close relationships with the cousins’ kids.

Had they done it this way, would have come across as so classy, modern and unaffected.

instead, they now really have the worst of both worlds, in PR terms - not accepted in the U.K. and seemingly unpopular in the US as fringe celebs who sold out their family

I know what you mean, @poppysockies , but they would never have done that. They wanted to remain royal, but on their terms and therein lies the problem. Some posters think that they've been reasonable, but it really is trying to square a circle. They've had to remain in the headlines and promote themselves in order to maintain it, so they didn't seek a life under the radar.

I suppose it is the crossover point between realistic self-belief and self-delusion. I bet they genuinely thought that the royals were revolting beasts at the time they left the UK and were convinced that they would become famous through their own greatness without ever cashing in. Their choice of mansion reflected this.

As time went by, they realised that they were not especially talented or popular and that the royals were their only access to wealth and fame.

Seizing the opportunity to tell it like they saw it from Canada was in the same vein. I bet they have regretted burning their bridges ever since. If they had followed the royal's advice then they might have bought themselves more time to plan it properly and retained their credibility. It made them look silly and controlling and felt like they had thrown down the gauntlet.

Of course, nobody could have forseen the pandemic but I bet they would have shelved their grand exit (or postponed it for a few more years) if the pandemic had started a few months earlier and everyone would have survived just fine.

You can repeat it till you are blue in the face. Being called HRH did nothing for private work for the York girls or Edward.

MM did her podcast under her name of 'Meghan' and it was one of the most popular ones.

They have their titles, so do their DC, get over it.

You're kidding! Of course it's benefitted the York sisters and Edward! How on earth do you think Beatrice and Eugenie got those very high end lucrative jobs?! Just look who employed them. Of course it makes a difference in life!

They have their titles, so have their children, it certainly helps oil the wheels. I don't blame them!

HRH Prince Edward production company tanked.

So did the Prince William and Duchess of Cambridge YouTube Channel.

HRH Princess Euginie podcast was not in the top 50 recently.

Just 'Meghan' had a number 1 hit.

So it's more than just 'titles'

Oh yes, it's not just the titles. They help a lot though!

If you think that there's no royal or aristocratic privilege, @notanotheroneagain , then there's nothing really I can add.

The biggest example of aristocratic/royal privilege is meghan markle. She's famous for one reason only, and that is who she married. That privilege allows her to attend high status functions, be given awards and multi million pound V and podcast deals. Anyone who says otherwise is as deluded as she is.

I did not say that exactly.

But, I think we should acknowledge that the title on it's own is not the be and all of making you successful. You must also also produce something people are interested in, as I have said with the examples. You don't have to say 'title' and put your hands back that all will go well. you will have to do a lot more than that.

So...it definitely helps..

Agree with @notanotheroneagain

The biggest example of aristocratic/royal privilege is.... The Royal Family. They're not special as individuals, not talented at anything, not particularly clever despite top education and do not have much in personal charm or looks. Yet we are supposed to see them as special or superior to us and they status apparently warrants them swanning about with high end persons such as world leaders etc, attending high end functions and living in palaces off of our money.

She's famous for one reason only, and that is who she married.
Well, globally at least. Same with Diana, same with Fergie. Same with Kate. Speaking of Fergs, she monetises being a Duchess all the time with her books etc yet hasn't been top of the charts. How did meghan achieve having the most popular podcast? Because of herself, not because of the royals, though she is known because of them of course. If she didn't have the personal charisma and looks that she has, plus intelligence, work ethic and the ability to speak well, believe me no one would be interested in her. For all the hate against her, people and the media are obsessed. That's all because of HER, not the boring and uncharismatic royals.

If Meghan was a star on her own and didn’t need the help of marrying into royalty to achieve it, she would have made it as an A or even B star actress in Hollywood even before meeting Harry. I didn't know who she was until she was introduced in a magazine as Harry’s girlfriend, and I think most people would have thought the same. Meghan may have been an actress in a tv cable show, but she became famous by marrying into the royal family. She wasn't hanging out with the likes of Oprah and Tyler Perry when she was just plain Meghan Markle, Hollywood actress.

Also, for the people who mention it was William that the letter was referring to as the one who mentioned the skin tone of the baby, it’s already been mentioned elsewhere that it was actually Camilla who said it. Charles is protective of her, if it had been William to have said it, Charles would probably have leaked it so the negative attention would be diverted to william and Kate. There’s been some negative stories of William that’s been mentioned by Charles biographer, in order to make Charles look good in comparison.

Tbh, this is like saying that Kim kardashian is famous because she has charisma, looks, intelligence and the ability to speak well. The fact is, controversy sells. And Meghan Markle is controversial, and therefore her podcast became a hit because the people who didn’t like her were also hate listening. Just like with Harry and his book, it’s the controversy that sells.

therefore her podcast became a hit because the people who didn’t like her were also hate listening. Just like with Harry and his book, it’s the controversy that sells.

Well... MNers are a representation of all sorts of people and the big majority (if not all) of those who don't like Meghan and Harry, said they couldn't bear to listen to more than 5 minutes, watch more than 10 minutes of NF, or read the book... so I can't imagine detractors of the couple would put themselves out and do this.

You can't "hate listen" through 13 episodes, of approx an hour each, unless you're mentally ill or something. People enjoyed them, come on.

I can't think of bigger losers than people "hate listening" and inadvertently making the person they hate go top of the charts! 😂