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The PR Whodunnit?

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StormzyinaTCup · 22/04/2023 19:50

So what is this all about then?
Who did it and why?
And whoever's PR team is responsible needs tearing off a strip, it's going to backfire.
I know there was a thread about this earlier today but it was deleted due to questions over how genuine the OP was. As this story is everywhere at the moment I thought I would have a try myself and see how we go. Just a couple of preemptive points:

  1. My MN credentials are rock solid so don't anyone even go there😁
  2. Lets also keep some perspective, at the end of the day we are talking about a bunch of privileged and entitled millionaires who likely wouldn't even pee on us if we were on fire and that goes for both 'sides'.

https://news.sky.com/story/meghan-wrote-to-king-charles-expressing-concern-about-unconscious-bias-in-the-royal-family-reports-12863044

🤞🤞🤞🤞

Meghan wrote to King Charles expressing concern about unconscious bias in the Royal Family - report

The letter was reportedly sent after the duchess said in an interview with Oprah Winfrey that a senior royal had speculated about how dark her unborn son's skin would be.

https://news.sky.com/story/meghan-wrote-to-king-charles-expressing-concern-about-unconscious-bias-in-the-royal-family-reports-12863044

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Sudeko · 24/04/2023 09:36

Of course CandC have nothing to gain from leaking anything in the run up to the coronation unless they have concrete proof of the Sussexes telling lies and are wanting to open that can of worms just to present their proof and take control of it, rather than being blackmailed via media for the next five years.

LadyMuckingabout · 24/04/2023 09:36

Back to a pp, I just can’t see who this story benefits. I suppose it raises the “who is the racist?” question again, which has all the core rf (except Charles) under the microscope.

It makes the Coronation all about Meghan again, which, to be fair (and j am no Meghan fan) I wouldn’t think she wants given that she has distanced herself from the “revenge” during and after Spare.

Obviously it’s someone who knows about “private” letters but that could be, say, someone on the legal team of either “side” who is simply a leaker, or who picked up a handsome sum for this info.

notanotheroneagain · 24/04/2023 09:36

StormzyinaTCup · 24/04/2023 09:24

I do think, and have said from the start, the couple should have said either at the time of Oprah or any other time over the last two years who it was but they haven’t. I think if they release it on the eve of the Coronation it would been seen for what it was which would be a hugely spiteful and malicious thing to do and I’m not sure they would be able to come back from that. In light of what the couple have said recently that it wasn’t a racist comment and not said with malice I think the couple would come off worse than the RF.

I also think *@Fuerza makes a good suggestion, take the control from them and the RF call it themselves.

Aah, so that is the point of this whole story.

To make the Sussexes look petty? That should be the focus? Thank you.

Doesn't have to do with the discontent of queen camilla and cost of coronation by any chance?

Roussette · 24/04/2023 09:39

poppysockies · 24/04/2023 09:33

My point was that palace sources have Zero to gain from stirring this up again. Surely they would want the petty dramas to blow over so people can focus on the coronation.

@Roussette If you think they leaked it, what do you think they have to gain? It doesn’t make sense to me

As I have just explained... I am saying this to counteract your post saying it came from Meghan. See my post to you of 09.24.

Her leaking it doesn't make sense to me either. And please don't say she wants to disrupt the Coronation, she's barely been seen for months and is living her life.

StormzyinaTCup · 24/04/2023 10:04

notanotheroneagain · 24/04/2023 09:36

Aah, so that is the point of this whole story.

To make the Sussexes look petty? That should be the focus? Thank you.

Doesn't have to do with the discontent of queen camilla and cost of coronation by any chance?

I have no idea what the point of this story was, that was why I started the thread in the first place.

I’m just making a comment based on what has recently been posted. I’ve no more idea who/what/why is going on anymore than you or anyone else, we are all speculating m/discussing all angles because it’s a bit odd.

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Stemmingthetide · 24/04/2023 10:11

Livingwitheyesclosed · 24/04/2023 09:20

The trouble is I think both H and M just open their mouths and blab without sufficient thought to how what they say will be interpreted by ALL parties. They just lack forethought, tact and maturity. I think Meghan said what she did when she was angry and hurt, without being in full possession of the facts and without talking it through with H first. I think H was a bit gobsmacked at what she came out with and their two accounts did not match anyway.

@Livingwitheyesclosed I agree, PH seemed fazed by the fact she had said it.

I also think in the Oprah interview there were cultural differences UK vs US that explained some of the “inaccuracies”. My biggest take away is how little her husband prepared her for Royal life. I can understand he didn’t want to frighten her off, but once married he should have explained about the “job”, titles etc.

poppysockies · 24/04/2023 10:20

When did the 5 friends talk to People magazine? Wasn’t that months after the wedding when everyone had stoped talking about it?

those ‘leaks’ started the whole drama up again & got people talking about Meghan.

Serenster · 24/04/2023 10:23

Obviously it’s someone who knows about “private” letters but that could be, say, someone on the legal team of either “side” who is simply a leaker, or who picked up a handsome sum for this info.

Given the story is still up, one thing we can be sure of is that the person who took it to the Telegraph was not commuting any breach of confidence in doing so. As we are told lawyers on both sides have been involved, if someone had leaked the contents of private correspondence without permission, the story would have been taken down.

Also, given the way the article has been changed since it was first published -most recently with a new sentence added saying how appallingly Meghan and Harry were treated by the Royal family - it’s quite clear who’s holding the pen behind the scenes.

polkadotdalmation · 24/04/2023 10:25

The wild speculation and mind reading as well as projection about camillas action, thoughts and emotions, is crazy making. I read some of this nonsense and think I've fallen down Alice's rabbit hole. The only person who knows camilla s thoughts is camilla. Just stop or we'll all have some kind of breakdown too.

polkadotdalmation · 24/04/2023 10:26

As if anyone would believe the Sussex statement about having moved on 😂

Sudeko · 24/04/2023 10:26

The five mum friends sounds like something out of The Twelve Days of Christmas.

Five mu-uuum friends
Four household staff
Three bloggers
Two chat show hosts
And a journalist hid in a tree

Serenster · 24/04/2023 10:33

No idea! But Meghan has put out a statement denying it and I believe it

if you actually read her statement, she doesn’t deny leaking the correspondence. She says “Like I’m bothered, please!” But hasn’t denied it.

Smoke and mirrors. Like she never denied the bullying reports either. Her supporters read into them what they want to believe.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 24/04/2023 10:34

Camilla would not have been famous if she had not been first Charles's mistress, then his wife.

Diana would not have been famous if she had not married Charles.

Kate would not have been famous if she had not been William's girlfriend then his wife.

Anne's two husbands would not have been famous if they had not married her.

In fact, the Royal Family as a family is famous for being the Royal family not for the talents or achievements of its individual members. They are, as a family, not bursting with either exceptional brains or talent.

I can think of only three members of that family who achieved their fame from their work and talents, and not just because of who fathered them or who they married.

Anthony Armstrong-Jones was a renowned photographer before he married Margaret. Of course he became more famous afterwards, but he was already known as a society photographer.

Mike Tindall would have been famous even if he had not married Zara. He was a successful sportsman.

Meghan Markle would have been famous even if she had not married Harry. She was a successful actress with her own well-regarded blog. No she was not an A last actress, and in any event that's not the only kind of actress that is successful.

She is definitely the only woman who came into that family with a measure of name recognition for achievements outside the family.

It's silly to pretend otherwise.

notanotheroneagain · 24/04/2023 10:38

poppysockies · 24/04/2023 10:20

When did the 5 friends talk to People magazine? Wasn’t that months after the wedding when everyone had stoped talking about it?

those ‘leaks’ started the whole drama up again & got people talking about Meghan.

The friends came together when the negative stories about MM were at their pick. That was the reason. The palace told MM they were protecting her, and they were not. It was visible to everyone outside.

Don't try to twist it.

notanotheroneagain · 24/04/2023 10:39

Serenster · 24/04/2023 10:23

Obviously it’s someone who knows about “private” letters but that could be, say, someone on the legal team of either “side” who is simply a leaker, or who picked up a handsome sum for this info.

Given the story is still up, one thing we can be sure of is that the person who took it to the Telegraph was not commuting any breach of confidence in doing so. As we are told lawyers on both sides have been involved, if someone had leaked the contents of private correspondence without permission, the story would have been taken down.

Also, given the way the article has been changed since it was first published -most recently with a new sentence added saying how appallingly Meghan and Harry were treated by the Royal family - it’s quite clear who’s holding the pen behind the scenes.

Sounds like Camilla is the hand behind the pen.

The PR Whodunnit?
Serenster · 24/04/2023 10:41

Yes, of course Camilla asked the Telegraph to change the article to add in that the Royal Family treated Meghan and Harry appallingly. 🤣🤣🤣

WeWereInParis · 24/04/2023 10:47

notanotheroneagain · 24/04/2023 10:39

Sounds like Camilla is the hand behind the pen.

But that screenshot from BuzzFeed news isn’t talking about the current leak, which is what Serenster was talking about.

derxa · 24/04/2023 10:49

MrsMaxDeWinter · 24/04/2023 10:34

Camilla would not have been famous if she had not been first Charles's mistress, then his wife.

Diana would not have been famous if she had not married Charles.

Kate would not have been famous if she had not been William's girlfriend then his wife.

Anne's two husbands would not have been famous if they had not married her.

In fact, the Royal Family as a family is famous for being the Royal family not for the talents or achievements of its individual members. They are, as a family, not bursting with either exceptional brains or talent.

I can think of only three members of that family who achieved their fame from their work and talents, and not just because of who fathered them or who they married.

Anthony Armstrong-Jones was a renowned photographer before he married Margaret. Of course he became more famous afterwards, but he was already known as a society photographer.

Mike Tindall would have been famous even if he had not married Zara. He was a successful sportsman.

Meghan Markle would have been famous even if she had not married Harry. She was a successful actress with her own well-regarded blog. No she was not an A last actress, and in any event that's not the only kind of actress that is successful.

She is definitely the only woman who came into that family with a measure of name recognition for achievements outside the family.

It's silly to pretend otherwise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Phillips
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zara_Tindall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Princess_Royal
Most people had never heard of Meghan when she first appeared with Prince Harry

Mark Phillips - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Phillips

poppysockies · 24/04/2023 10:51

Yes, of course Camilla asked the Telegraph to change the article to add in that the Royal Family treated Meghan and Harry appallingly

it certainly takes some mental gymnastics to arrive at that conclusion 😂

Serenster · 24/04/2023 10:53

Another change that was made to the article was that the reference to an “innocuous comment” was removed - the alleged racist incident having been described in the first version as something Meghan agreed was an innocuous comment made without malice.

No one can seriously suggest that anyone at the Palace requested a change in the article to remove something that minimised the allegation against them.

DuchessOfPort · 24/04/2023 11:05

Serenster · 24/04/2023 10:41

Yes, of course Camilla asked the Telegraph to change the article to add in that the Royal Family treated Meghan and Harry appallingly. 🤣🤣🤣

That is an amusing suggestion. “OI! Why don’t we look worse? We want to look MUCH WORSE! Make it happen!”

MrsMaxDeWinter · 24/04/2023 11:07

Most people had never heard of Meghan when she first appeared with Prince Harry

Just because someone is unknown outside the UK, or outside Mumsnet, does not mean they are unknown everywhere.

The 3 million followers of her blog The Tig certainly knew who she was, and 4 million on average watched Suits every season, just in the US. She was well known in Canada through her different adverts. In my part of the world, it was a very popular show, which ran on a platform across Africa with about 10 million subscribers.

She was also known within the UN, to World Vision, and to readers of the magazines she wrote for, and the products she advertised.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 24/04/2023 11:08

Unknown IN the UK ...

Roussette · 24/04/2023 11:17

Ahhh yes... Mark Phillips... the guy who fathered a child whilst still married to Anne. Never gets talked about
Funny that

derxa · 24/04/2023 11:22

Roussette · 24/04/2023 11:17

Ahhh yes... Mark Phillips... the guy who fathered a child whilst still married to Anne. Never gets talked about
Funny that

He featured heavily in a recent documentary about Anne actually.