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The PR Whodunnit?

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StormzyinaTCup · 22/04/2023 19:50

So what is this all about then?
Who did it and why?
And whoever's PR team is responsible needs tearing off a strip, it's going to backfire.
I know there was a thread about this earlier today but it was deleted due to questions over how genuine the OP was. As this story is everywhere at the moment I thought I would have a try myself and see how we go. Just a couple of preemptive points:

  1. My MN credentials are rock solid so don't anyone even go there😁
  2. Lets also keep some perspective, at the end of the day we are talking about a bunch of privileged and entitled millionaires who likely wouldn't even pee on us if we were on fire and that goes for both 'sides'.

https://news.sky.com/story/meghan-wrote-to-king-charles-expressing-concern-about-unconscious-bias-in-the-royal-family-reports-12863044

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Meghan wrote to King Charles expressing concern about unconscious bias in the Royal Family - report

The letter was reportedly sent after the duchess said in an interview with Oprah Winfrey that a senior royal had speculated about how dark her unborn son's skin would be.

https://news.sky.com/story/meghan-wrote-to-king-charles-expressing-concern-about-unconscious-bias-in-the-royal-family-reports-12863044

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Roussette · 24/04/2023 07:36

But the only reason she got the big contract, and the main reason people listened is because of her Royal title. Fair play to her, but to deny its not a massive factor is disingenuous

Of course, it's a factor, I don't think anyone has said it isn't? Unless I missed that. But totally not all of it, she also had to deliver. I listened to some (not all) of the podcast, they were good. I didn't enjoy every one I listened to but some of them, yes.

Exactly the same for all the Royals who write books using their titles, Duchess of York, Princess Michael of Kent, Prince Philip, Charles, Kate (although hers was a photographic book), ... even Pippa Middleton with a lifestyle book - I doubt that would've sold without the connection.

MrsFinkelstein · 24/04/2023 07:40

Roussette · 24/04/2023 05:47

That's awful and I think it would come from extreme Sussex supporters, death threats...vile.

However there's many posters on here who don't hate K&W at all, but who aren't Monarchists and who criticise the Institution

I have zero issue with posters criticising the Institution - have at it. As with any large institution there's plenty to criticise, and a strong robust institution should be able to withstand it (as the BRF currently seems able to).

My issue is that the majority of those same posters very easily slip into personal insults and barbs of specific members (usually W&K) and the rumours and sly gossip very quickly follow.

poppysockies · 24/04/2023 07:41

The most successful and in-demand royal I can think of is Charlotte Casiraghi - she doesn’t have a title

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Casiraghi

Charlotte Casiraghi - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Casiraghi

Roussette · 24/04/2023 07:48

MrsFinkelstein · 24/04/2023 07:40

I have zero issue with posters criticising the Institution - have at it. As with any large institution there's plenty to criticise, and a strong robust institution should be able to withstand it (as the BRF currently seems able to).

My issue is that the majority of those same posters very easily slip into personal insults and barbs of specific members (usually W&K) and the rumours and sly gossip very quickly follow.

I don't agree that the majority do actually. I don't. I find the pegging stuff really horrible, the affair I don't condone speculation like this, just like I don't condone speculation on H&M's marriage being over followed by who will have the children type thing. That happens all the time.

I won't name posters but there are very many who don't jump in with nasty gossip about W&K. So it's unfair to label us all the same.

I personally have criticised their workload, but that is me talking about the Institution and how it operates and what it does, or doesn't do.

notanotheroneagain · 24/04/2023 07:57

michaelmacrae · 23/04/2023 22:59

Explain the likes of Kim Kardashian then, or all the reality stars out there. People have and will hate watch or listen to something controversial so they could bxtch talk about it to others. Not saying it’s right, but it has happened otherwise Kim Kardashian or Paris Hilton wouldn’t have become the celebrities they are now.

No idea. Didn't know Paris Hilton was still going, I remember her from the 00s. A lot of young people watch the Kardashians, the types that love crap like TOWIE, I don't think they hate them, I think they truly love the glamour and are invested in their fake 'reality' stories.

Normal people don't waste their time watching something they hate - unless they're paid to, or are part of a hate campaign.

This is true.

Infact. Most of the Kardashian billions are made out of their products, make-up/perfumes etc.

That's a lot of 'hate buying'. lol

Maireas · 24/04/2023 08:01

Charlotte Casiraghi is beautiful, extremely wealthy and more importantly, the daughter of Princess Caroline of Monaco. She doesn't have a title but she is Monagesque. We see this nepotism all the time. However, I do think that the prefix Prince or Princess adds additional cachet.

notanotheroneagain · 24/04/2023 08:03

Roussette · 23/04/2023 22:57

Yep. Ditto her one children's book on Amazon. Didn't buy the book but made a point of going on there to write a negative review.
I imagine doing that gave them some excitement 😅

They flooded the reviews before the book came out, Amazon had to shut down the reviews and later only opened to confirmed purchasers. Once again the book was a sell out and high on the best seller lists. Lots of 'hate buying' once more.

The same with the Elephant voice over. Some bots even outed themselves by pre -writing the reviews. One said, people walked out of the theatre it was so bad, except, it never came out on theatre because by the time it released there was covid, so was on the telly. 😂

notanotheroneagain · 24/04/2023 08:07

MamoruHisaishi · 24/04/2023 05:29

Meghan during Oprah interview:

In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time, so we have in tandem the conversation of 'He won't be given security. He's not going to be given a title,' and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he's born," she said.
"There were several conversations about it," she said.

“That was relayed to me from Harry,” she said. “Those were conversations that family had with him. And I think — it was really hard to see those as compartmentalized conversations."
“Because they were concerned that if he were too brown, that that would be a problem? Are you saying that?” Oprah asked.

“I wasn't able to follow up with why, but that— if that's the assumption you're making, I think that feels like a pretty safe one, which was really hard to understand, right?” she said.

Harry during Oprah interview:

“That conversation I’m never going to share. But at the time, at the time it was awkward. I was a bit shocked,” Harry said. “What will the kids look like?”
“That was at the very beginning when she was not going to get security “

From the most recent update on the article:

It is understood that both the King and the Duchess acknowledged that the individual’s remark was not made with malice.
The Duchess is believed to have thanked the King for his words. The Duchess’s letter is also said to suggest that she had never intended to specifically accuse the individual involved of being a racist, but was raising concerns about unconscious bias.

Reading the comments from the Sussex interview and the details of the letter regarding the complexion comment, it seems that there's definitely discrepancies. First between Harry and Meghan, as Meghan claimed there were several conversations with family about how dark Archie’s skin would be when she was pregnant, whereas Harry claimed it was right at the beginning referring to only one conversation.

Then when Oprah asked Meghan that the concern was that Archie would be too brown and that would be a problem, Meghan never denied it and said that's a pretty safe assumption. Most people would assume that Meghan was agreeing with what Oprah said.

Now it comes out that Meghan has acknowledged that the remark (so there was only one remark after all instead of a series of conversations?) was not made with malice nor was it outright racist. That is completely different to what the Sussexes implied in the Oprah interview. Being concerned about how dark a baby’s skin tone is malicious and completely racist, not just mere unconscious bias.

Your own post justifies why it probably was not H&M. Because they had to live with these discredits from recollections may vary and posters like yourself and GBeebies for two years, so could have released the letter ages ago.

notanotheroneagain · 24/04/2023 08:19

MamoruHisaishi · 24/04/2023 05:33

To be fair, the same could be said of those who hate the Cambridges and the royal family in general. I've seen death threats against the Cambridge children coming from some Sussex supporters on twitter, not to mention the accusations that William cheated or is into pegging were spread by these same Sussex supporters.

You seem to listen too much to Dan Wooton and the likes.

They like to blame the 'Sussex Squad' for everything. Camilla Tominey even said they threatened her, when the email she attached had nothing to do with the sussexes. It was the squad who reported it to the police, not Camilla.
Dan Wooton even created a post and pretended to be a Squad and was found out. Ditto Richard Eden - who has a female burner account.

Most of that Sussex Squad posts come on my timeline because most are liberals and follow the same topics as me. So I am quite up to date - not as much as MN from the looks of things.

The pegging story came out of a bg site that royalist follow religiously. I noted randoms ran with it. At the time it was not even mentioned on MN. Squad laughed the loudest of course, but they did not start it.

poppysockies · 24/04/2023 08:34

They like to blame the 'Sussex Squad' for everything. Camilla Tominey even said they threatened her, when the email she attached had nothing to do with the sussexes. It was the squad who reported it to the police, not Camilla.
Dan Wooton even created a post and pretended to be a Squad and was found out. Ditto Richard Eden - who has a female burner account.

you are clearly very deeply engaged this Sussex squad stuff

I follow lots of ‘liberal’ type people on Twitter & royal stories rarely (practically never) show up on my feed

notanotheroneagain · 24/04/2023 08:45

And yet you seem to know quite a lot about royal stuff...................

Howsimplywonderful · 24/04/2023 08:47

notanotheroneagain · 24/04/2023 08:07

Your own post justifies why it probably was not H&M. Because they had to live with these discredits from recollections may vary and posters like yourself and GBeebies for two years, so could have released the letter ages ago.

H&M’s history shows they have form for lying, discrepancies, sending letters with the intention of having them released and prodding the person they sent them to into action when they don’t do so on their own.

Severe case of Deja Vu here

I think H&M are hoping that the name of the person in Meghan’s letter is released to the press right on the eve of the coronation (perhaps some of her friends acting ‘without her knowledge again’)

That’s what I fear, but I hope that’s not the case. We’ll just have to wait and see, which I guess is their intention - to keep themselves part of the story

Lockupyourbiscuits · 24/04/2023 08:54

Meghan agreed with Oprahs summary of a clearly racist situation that the colour of a baby would be a problem
A conversation she felt was so bad it would damage the person if she released the name

Is clearly an accusation of racism

surely we can all agree on that

Some might find the last bit a threat

Lockupyourbiscuits · 24/04/2023 08:58

I think one person who can’t let go of the royal family doesn’t want to release the name because he knows that’s if it’s released
The other person is pushing closer

it will be released at some point for maximum damage

Fuerza · 24/04/2023 08:58

After the coronation, whoever it was should say "it was me, I wondered what the baby would look like". Take the opportunity to reveal who said it away.

It's so ridiculous.

Sudeko · 24/04/2023 09:01

If it is'her', I hope they leak it on the eve of the Coronation. Even if she isn't an out and out racist she is a gossip who behaved appallingly towards their very young mother. Her family are being pushed into mainstream royal life and KC has made it pretty clear how she is priority.

Howsimplywonderful · 24/04/2023 09:12

It all has a touch of Hillary’s emails about it too.

Livingwitheyesclosed · 24/04/2023 09:20

The trouble is I think both H and M just open their mouths and blab without sufficient thought to how what they say will be interpreted by ALL parties. They just lack forethought, tact and maturity. I think Meghan said what she did when she was angry and hurt, without being in full possession of the facts and without talking it through with H first. I think H was a bit gobsmacked at what she came out with and their two accounts did not match anyway.

poppysockies · 24/04/2023 09:22

No-one would be talking about Meghan if this story hadn’t come out. They announced she wasn’t attending, it wasn’t controversial, most people thought it was a good thing.

it’s not in the interests of any of the senior royals for Meghan’s racism row to be discussed again now.

that is why the story almost certainly originated from the Sussex camp. They want to be talked about and to stir up controversy ahead of the coronation.

Roussette · 24/04/2023 09:24

poppysockies · 24/04/2023 09:22

No-one would be talking about Meghan if this story hadn’t come out. They announced she wasn’t attending, it wasn’t controversial, most people thought it was a good thing.

it’s not in the interests of any of the senior royals for Meghan’s racism row to be discussed again now.

that is why the story almost certainly originated from the Sussex camp. They want to be talked about and to stir up controversy ahead of the coronation.

You speak like you know something. You really really don't.

I believe it came from a Palace source. There you go. I know something too.

StormzyinaTCup · 24/04/2023 09:24

Sudeko · 24/04/2023 09:01

If it is'her', I hope they leak it on the eve of the Coronation. Even if she isn't an out and out racist she is a gossip who behaved appallingly towards their very young mother. Her family are being pushed into mainstream royal life and KC has made it pretty clear how she is priority.

I do think, and have said from the start, the couple should have said either at the time of Oprah or any other time over the last two years who it was but they haven’t. I think if they release it on the eve of the Coronation it would been seen for what it was which would be a hugely spiteful and malicious thing to do and I’m not sure they would be able to come back from that. In light of what the couple have said recently that it wasn’t a racist comment and not said with malice I think the couple would come off worse than the RF.

I also think *@Fuerza makes a good suggestion, take the control from them and the RF call it themselves.

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Livingwitheyesclosed · 24/04/2023 09:24

Roussette · 24/04/2023 09:24

You speak like you know something. You really really don't.

I believe it came from a Palace source. There you go. I know something too.

Why do you believe that?

Roussette · 24/04/2023 09:27

Livingwitheyesclosed · 24/04/2023 09:24

Why do you believe that?

No idea! But Meghan has put out a statement denying it and I believe it

I was just illustrating the point that we don't know after a poster said it came from Meghan.

We can armchair detective all we like twisting it around to make it sound like a Sussex statement, can't we?

poppysockies · 24/04/2023 09:30

I believe it came from a Palace source. There you go. I know something too.

that’s just your unconscious bias 😉

poppysockies · 24/04/2023 09:33

My point was that palace sources have Zero to gain from stirring this up again. Surely they would want the petty dramas to blow over so people can focus on the coronation.

@Roussette If you think they leaked it, what do you think they have to gain? It doesn’t make sense to me