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Daisiesandprimroses · 22/04/2023 12:59

michaelmacrae · 22/04/2023 12:32

I think Meghan leaving shows her strength. She seems to be someone who clearly knows her boundaries and sticks to it, and doesn't tolerate disrespect from anyone. The RF are just human beings like anyone else, so why should she put up with bad treatment, just to be in this country?

Unlike Diana who married very young, M had a life before Harry and knows a thing or two. Diana unfortunately learned a lot while still dealing with Charles and C crap and had to do a lot of her growing up in public. Feel so bad for Diana.

That doesn’t make much sense though when you think of the announcement they put out when they left. they were doing half in half out. They said their preference was to continue to work as royals and you can see on the announcements the queen said they wanted to do it due to media intrusions. They wanted privacy. They then sold all their privacy and the royals to the highest bidder .

We intend to step back as ‘senior’ members of the royal family and work to become financially independent, while continuing to fully support Her Majesty the Queen.It is with your encouragement, particularly over the last few years, that we feel prepared to make this adjustment.We now plan to balance our time between the United Kingdom and North America, continuing to honour our duty to the Queen, the Commonwealth, and our patronages.This geographic balance will enable us to raise our son with an appreciation for the royal tradition into which he was born, while also providing our family with the space to focus on the next chapter, including the launch of our new charitable entity.We look forward to sharing the full details of this exciting next step in due course, as we continue to collaborate with Her Majesty The Queen, the Prince of Wales, the Duke of Cambridge and all relevant parties. Until then, please accept our deepest thanks for your continued support.

then the queen told them no. And this is what was announced.

Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions, I am pleased that together we have found a constructive and supportive way forward for my grandson and his family.Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family.I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family. It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life.

Statement from Buckingham PalaceThe Duke and Duchess of Sussex are grateful to Her Majesty and the Royal Family for their ongoing support as they embark on the next chapter of their lives.As agreed in this new arrangement, they understand that they are required to step back from Royal duties, including official military appointments. They will no longer receive public funds for Royal duties. With The Queen’s blessing, the Sussexes will continue to maintain their private patronages and associations. While they can no longer formally represent The Queen, the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty.The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the Royal Family.The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have shared their wish to repay Sovereign Grant expenditure for the refurbishment of Frogmore Cottage, which will remain their UK family home.Buckingham Palace does not comment on the details of security arrangements. There are well established independent processes to determine the need for publicly-funded security.This new model will take effect in the Spring of 2020

then from their own website

It is agreed that the commencement of the revised role of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will take effect Spring 2020 and undergo a 12-month review

  • The Royal Family respect and understand the wish of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to live a more independent life as a family, by removing the supposed ‘public interest’ justification for media intrusion into their lives. They remain a valued part of Her Majesty’s family.
  • The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will become privately funded members of The Royal Family with permission to earn their own income and the ability to pursue their own private charitable interests
  • The preference of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex was to continue to represent and support Her Majesty The Queen albeit in a more limited capacity, while not drawing on the Sovereign Grant.
  • While there is precedent for other titled members of the Royal Family to seek employment outside of the institution, for The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, a 12-month review period has been put in place.

About | The Official Website of The Duke & Duchess of Sussex

Welcome to the Sussex Royal community, your source for information on The Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

http://sussexroyal.com/about/

diflasu · 22/04/2023 13:00

Sudeko · 22/04/2023 12:49

If you read between the lines of various leaked reports, I suspect that the issue between Harry and TPB is that the step-grandchildren of KC will now be used to fill in the gaps left by the absence of Harry's children, starting with the coronation. This will draw attention away from their their absence which is frustrating for Harry. Next year's Balmoral photo will probably be a blended group of grandchildren. It is also a positive thing for Kate and William who wont be perceived as being the meanies who drove out the Sussexes.

This wouldn't surprise me at all - would also fit in with modern UK with blended families being very normal and common.

Whaeanui · 22/04/2023 13:07

They wanted privacy.

They never actually said this. Another example of, if you say the lie often enough it becomes true.

Sudeko · 22/04/2023 13:15

diflasu · 22/04/2023 13:00

This wouldn't surprise me at all - would also fit in with modern UK with blended families being very normal and common.

Yes, definitely. It just turns Harry from being perceived as the third-most-important royal to one whose attendance is completely optional which is not good for Brand Sussex.

Inkanta · 22/04/2023 13:49

That doesn’t make much sense though when you think of the announcement they put out when they left. they were doing half in half out

To me that was an attempt to meet the Royal Family half way. I also think Harry loves his home country and in life when we negotiate we try to meet people half way. The negotiations didn't work. The boundary was crossed and they had to walk away.

AngeloMysterioso · 22/04/2023 13:52

There are plenty of women who are born into wealth, marry wealthy men and never work a day in their lives, I don’t see why Camilla and Catherine are so vilified for it. Having a job is a necessity (for some) not a virtue… if I had the kind of money they do not a chance I’d be wasting my days working when I could be doing something I actually enjoy with my time.

Coxspurplepippin · 22/04/2023 14:10

Whaeanui · 22/04/2023 13:07

They wanted privacy.

They never actually said this. Another example of, if you say the lie often enough it becomes true.

Harry mentioned privacy in the Bower interview.

michaelmacrae · 22/04/2023 14:23

Daisiesandprimroses · 22/04/2023 12:59

That doesn’t make much sense though when you think of the announcement they put out when they left. they were doing half in half out. They said their preference was to continue to work as royals and you can see on the announcements the queen said they wanted to do it due to media intrusions. They wanted privacy. They then sold all their privacy and the royals to the highest bidder .

We intend to step back as ‘senior’ members of the royal family and work to become financially independent, while continuing to fully support Her Majesty the Queen.It is with your encouragement, particularly over the last few years, that we feel prepared to make this adjustment.We now plan to balance our time between the United Kingdom and North America, continuing to honour our duty to the Queen, the Commonwealth, and our patronages.This geographic balance will enable us to raise our son with an appreciation for the royal tradition into which he was born, while also providing our family with the space to focus on the next chapter, including the launch of our new charitable entity.We look forward to sharing the full details of this exciting next step in due course, as we continue to collaborate with Her Majesty The Queen, the Prince of Wales, the Duke of Cambridge and all relevant parties. Until then, please accept our deepest thanks for your continued support.

then the queen told them no. And this is what was announced.

Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions, I am pleased that together we have found a constructive and supportive way forward for my grandson and his family.Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family.I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family. It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life.

Statement from Buckingham PalaceThe Duke and Duchess of Sussex are grateful to Her Majesty and the Royal Family for their ongoing support as they embark on the next chapter of their lives.As agreed in this new arrangement, they understand that they are required to step back from Royal duties, including official military appointments. They will no longer receive public funds for Royal duties. With The Queen’s blessing, the Sussexes will continue to maintain their private patronages and associations. While they can no longer formally represent The Queen, the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty.The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the Royal Family.The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have shared their wish to repay Sovereign Grant expenditure for the refurbishment of Frogmore Cottage, which will remain their UK family home.Buckingham Palace does not comment on the details of security arrangements. There are well established independent processes to determine the need for publicly-funded security.This new model will take effect in the Spring of 2020

then from their own website

It is agreed that the commencement of the revised role of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will take effect Spring 2020 and undergo a 12-month review

  • The Royal Family respect and understand the wish of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to live a more independent life as a family, by removing the supposed ‘public interest’ justification for media intrusion into their lives. They remain a valued part of Her Majesty’s family.
  • The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will become privately funded members of The Royal Family with permission to earn their own income and the ability to pursue their own private charitable interests
  • The preference of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex was to continue to represent and support Her Majesty The Queen albeit in a more limited capacity, while not drawing on the Sovereign Grant.
  • While there is precedent for other titled members of the Royal Family to seek employment outside of the institution, for The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, a 12-month review period has been put in place.

Nowhere in all this text does it say they wanted privacy! It says they wanted to "step back as senior royals and work to become financially independent". Another example of the media making up shit their own interpretation and the public blindly following and repeating it, despite what's in front of their eyes. Hmm

They were criticised for living off the taxpayer (as if the rest of the RF don't) so they wanted to be independent. They were being criticised (esp M) for every single thing, left, right and centre. So not surprised her MH was extremely poor.

Queen's statement says this: "I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life".

So acknowledging that they stepped back for their mental health. Doesn't say privacy. The half in half out sounds like they they tried to offer a compromise deal, but it was rejected. So they left. And quite rightly so.

  • While there is precedent for other titled members of the Royal Family to seek employment outside of the institution, for The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, a 12-month review period has been put in place.

So other titled Rs can earn their own money and still be in the RF, so why couldn't H&M?

Daisiesandprimroses · 22/04/2023 14:41

He also wrote it several times in spare. Here is one quote.

“Whenever I complained about it, privately or publicly, people just rolled their eyes. They said I was whingeing, said I only pretended to want privacy, said Meg was pretending as well. Oh, she’s getting chased, is she? Wah-wah, give us a break! She’ll be fine, she’s an actress, she’s used to paps, in fact, wants them.”

he also said it on Andrew Marr.

“Everyone has a right to their privacy and a lot of the members of the general public get it. But sadly in some areas, there's this incessant need to find out every little detail that goes on behind the scenes. It's unnecessary. The private life has to be private and I hope people respect that”

i also think that saying you want away from media intrusion is the same as saying uou want privacy , arguing otherwise is semantics.

so yes he said it and he said it repeatedly. Just because he then said he didn’t doesn’t mean it changes what happened.

Roussette · 22/04/2023 14:48

he also said it on Andrew Marr.

I'm losing the plot here... Harry on Andrew Marr, the Sunday morning politics show that was?

Sudeko · 22/04/2023 14:50

What does it matter now? Things don't always evolve logically or turn upon the most robust truths. The situation now is whatever it is.

notanotheroneagain · 22/04/2023 15:13

Don't know why people are trying to rewrite history.
Charles said MM must work because he had no money for her (despite his millions). Practically this means that H&M would have a long distance marriage - which everyone knows has a higher rate of ending.

Harry was already a senior working royal before MM came on the scene.

B, E and their father remain HRH despite not being working royals.
The Michaels take it even further, by using the HRH on their own private work and books they author - cashing in as it's called . When Edward had his production company, his HRH remained used. Even his uncle who abdicated kept his HRH. Question is, why it had to be stopped with H&M.

H&M were fine with serving under HMQE, but wanted to physically remove themselves from all the toxic briefing. After all how much can you brief about people who are physically not there.

Daisiesandprimroses · 22/04/2023 15:14

Roussette · 22/04/2023 14:48

he also said it on Andrew Marr.

I'm losing the plot here... Harry on Andrew Marr, the Sunday morning politics show that was?

Yes. I can’t find the video but here it is in Twitter.

https://twitter.com/RoyalRundown1/status/1599416231886753793

https://twitter.com/RoyalRundown1/status/1599416231886753793

Daisiesandprimroses · 22/04/2023 15:15

Sorry to be clear the video is on that link on twitter

notanotheroneagain · 22/04/2023 15:19

Even your own link states that :

They welcome accurate and honest media reporting

Samcro · 22/04/2023 15:22

Maybe he meant privacy in that he wanted the leaks to stop?

notanotheroneagain · 22/04/2023 15:25

Samcro · 22/04/2023 15:22

Maybe he meant privacy in that he wanted the leaks to stop?

I think so.

Also the poster is taking things he said before marriage to MM and twisting them as the specific reason why they left. Whey they clearly said they would be working with more honest media outlets.

StaunchMomma · 22/04/2023 15:29

He would say that though, wouldn't he!

I've never liked her, or Charles.

Any respect or interest I had in the monarchy died with the Queen and many, many people feel the same.

AutumnCrow · 22/04/2023 15:46

Whaeanui · 21/04/2023 13:02

Just yesterday Roussette was asked if she was also me so not sure why it’s such a drama now, especially since some already know orange is also purple… and sometimes on the same thread too.

Well that's rather silly because I'm pretty sure I see you on the FWR board, @Whaeanui, and I don't see @Roussette on there, because (drum roll) you are two different women with different interests, opinions and priorities.

Whaeanui · 22/04/2023 15:59

@AutumnCrow 😂 yes!

Roussette · 22/04/2023 16:01

Daisiesandprimroses · 22/04/2023 15:14

Yes. I can’t find the video but here it is in Twitter.

https://twitter.com/RoyalRundown1/status/1599416231886753793

Thanks for the link. I echo what he says, well done him. You have to, of course, understand privacy.

If i burst into your home by kicking the door down. That's invading your privacy.

If you decide you want me to come round, invite me, open the door and welcome me. That isn't.

Roussette · 22/04/2023 16:04

AutumnCrow · 22/04/2023 15:46

Well that's rather silly because I'm pretty sure I see you on the FWR board, @Whaeanui, and I don't see @Roussette on there, because (drum roll) you are two different women with different interests, opinions and priorities.

Autumn I'm called all manner of things and people, you wouldn't believe! A lot of the time I can laugh it off, sometimes it really irritates me.

The weirdest was someone literally insisting I was Russian. I tried to laugh it off until they were following me everywhere saying it... I had to report to stop it!

rumpsteak · 22/04/2023 17:20

Why care what any of thei dysfunctional lot think?

Daisiesandprimroses · 22/04/2023 17:43

Roussette · 22/04/2023 16:01

Thanks for the link. I echo what he says, well done him. You have to, of course, understand privacy.

If i burst into your home by kicking the door down. That's invading your privacy.

If you decide you want me to come round, invite me, open the door and welcome me. That isn't.

I don’t think anyone disagrees with him, the point is he denies he said he wanted privacy and he sold intimate details of his life, as well as that of his family . They also have a right to privacy and he didn’t just breach it. He sold it. To the highest bidder so millions people could salivate over the juicy details .

yet he has multiple quotes, in interviews and his book where he says he wants privacy and a normal life. Then said he didn’t.

colour me stupid but anyone who wants that, no media intrusion, doesn’t sell books on their private life anf do six part documentaries showing images of their own home and private candid shots of their kids.

the pair of them also clearly call the paps whenever they do charitable work.

they are two of the most media hungry people out there. They actively court it. And it is jarring when correlated against the much declared need for privacy.

AutumnCrow · 22/04/2023 17:49

rumpsteak · 22/04/2023 17:20

Why care what any of thei dysfunctional lot think?

Charles is the Head of State.

Unfortunately.