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michaelmacrae · 21/04/2023 14:49

RYGO · 21/04/2023 11:45

Well he would say that, wouldn't he? And Harry is entitled to his opinion about her too.

Camilla is no innocent. She had an affair with the heir to the throne who was also married. I'm pretty sure she knew what she was doing.

Inkanta · 21/04/2023 15:09

Novella4 · 21/04/2023 14:40

@Inkanta
Yes these boards are crazy making but for a breath of sanity look at any royal topic when it comes up on aibu

Vast majority of posters stating no interest in the con a nation
That is a much better indication of the feelings of the population - and it matches the lack of interest clearly demonstrated in organised street parties and the poll that showed that the majority want Charles to pay for all the nonsense himself

It's just as we know it to be in real life

Thanks Novella4 for the validation. Yes I've noticed that the royal threads on AIBU are more true to reality and folk are pretty straightforward - had a look there this morning. Here is crazy - as if a strange force is running rings round the place.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 21/04/2023 15:37

Sophie had an established career in PR and had set up her own agency before she married Prince Edward.

Nice spin as usual @Serenster
You make it sound like she willingly gave up her career for the love of Edward.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I understood she was forced to because of her poor behaviour and talking in bad taste about the royal family to undercover press. I'll give her credit she has spent her time since then redeeming herself.

Roussette · 21/04/2023 15:51

PreparationPreparationPrep · 21/04/2023 15:37

Sophie had an established career in PR and had set up her own agency before she married Prince Edward.

Nice spin as usual @Serenster
You make it sound like she willingly gave up her career for the love of Edward.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I understood she was forced to because of her poor behaviour and talking in bad taste about the royal family to undercover press. I'll give her credit she has spent her time since then redeeming herself.

She was very rude about William Hague. Who was actually one of the dwindling few OK tories. Sophie got away very lightly, she called the Queen 'the old dear' and that Charles will marry Camilla after 'the old lady' (QM) dies.

She had to keep her head down, and yes she eventually resigned from the PR firm because of this.

derxa · 21/04/2023 15:58

She was very rude about William Hague 😂😂I'm sure he's used to it! He was endlessly mocked by impressionists such as Jon Culshaw. I like Hague but I'm sure he has the hide of a rhinoceros just like most politicians.

Roussette · 21/04/2023 16:14

I'm sure he was used to it, but for a member of the RF to call him 'deformed' might have been a bit much!

Serenster · 21/04/2023 16:22

I don’t get your point, @PreparationPreparationPrep

I wasn’t claiming anything about what happened to Sophie’s company after she married, simply that she was another successful woman with a well-established career before her marriage to the Queen’s son.

As it happened yes afterwards she became a good example as why the half in-half out model is untenable, as it’s well-nigh impossible for there not to be a conflict of interest when a senior royal tries to make a private income while also representing the head of state.

Samcro · 21/04/2023 16:24

michaelmacrae · 21/04/2023 14:49

Well he would say that, wouldn't he? And Harry is entitled to his opinion about her too.

Camilla is no innocent. She had an affair with the heir to the throne who was also married. I'm pretty sure she knew what she was doing.

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bang on.

derxa · 21/04/2023 16:26

Roussette · 21/04/2023 16:14

I'm sure he was used to it, but for a member of the RF to call him 'deformed' might have been a bit much!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/apr/08/uk.news
Here is an article about the whole debacle. No mention of Hague being deformed though.. This sort of sting is the reason Kate wisely swerved having 'a job'. There are people waiting to trip you up everywhere.

Word by word, Sophie digs herself deeper into trouble

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/apr/08/uk.news

Roussette · 21/04/2023 16:28

as it’s well-nigh impossible for there not to be a conflict of interest when a senior royal tries to make a private income while also representing the head of state.

She might well have carried on for a while if she hadn't made the most tremendous faux pas insulting not only the queen but politicians too. I don't call that mess 'a conflict of interest'. She mucked up.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 21/04/2023 16:30

This sort of sting is the reason Kate wisely swerved having 'a job

Really?

derxa · 21/04/2023 16:32

PreparationPreparationPrep · 21/04/2023 16:30

This sort of sting is the reason Kate wisely swerved having 'a job

Really?

Yes really. Trust no one.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/04/2023 17:41

Meh. It's just another dull instance of the rehabilitation of Camilla propaganda. I wouldn't believe a word of it. Novella4 got it spot on.

PollyPeptide · 21/04/2023 19:14

I don't see how anyone who sees Charles and Camilla together would think they don't genuinely love each other and are happy together. Same with the Waleses and the Sussexes.

Why is there so much spite against these women?

vera99 · 21/04/2023 20:08

PreparationPreparationPrep · 21/04/2023 16:30

This sort of sting is the reason Kate wisely swerved having 'a job

Really?

Try telling that to the DWP on benefits street. They really are Shameless,Frank would be proud of them, drugs and all.....

CathyorClaire · 21/04/2023 21:46

Li'l Tommy has a vested interest trust fund set up by Step-Daddy doesn't he?

Just askin'.

Morestrangerthings · 22/04/2023 01:24

As it happened yes afterwards she [Sophie] became a good example as why the half in-half out model is untenable, as it’s well-nigh impossible for there not to be a conflict of interest when a senior royal tries to make a private income while also representing the head of state.

And yet if it is true, as has been reported, that both the Queen and Charles said Meghan should continue in her acting career, how was that supposed to work?

And I've often wondered why the RF were so intent on denying Harry 'the half in, half out' option? When it would have been fine for Meghan?

Likewhatever · 22/04/2023 07:45

And yet if it is true, as has been reported, that both the Queen and Charles said Meghan should continue in her acting career, how was that supposed to work?

That’s a big “if” though. I thought that they asked if she wanted to continue acting, not that she should. Which suggests they were supportive of her continuing with the life and independence she was used to, to aid her transition into a very different environment.

Livingwitheyesclosed · 22/04/2023 07:54

Harry and M didn’t need to be working royals at all. They could have decided to be private citizens from the off. It was their choice to do what they did. If Harry genuinely hated the Press and was triggered by flash bulbs why on earth would he even have considered a high profile role? M was clearly completely unsuited to it. Funny that now he is actively seeking to be in the public eye , and the flashbulb phobia seems to be a thing of the past!

H could have moved to Canada to be with her after a quiet private wedding. I’m sure he could have managed to find some sort of job over there working with veterans or flying helicopters. Instead they’ve made themselves targets , with all the security implications that go with that.

Whaeanui · 22/04/2023 08:05

They could have decided to be private citizens from the off. It was their choice to do what they did

What has this got to do with the thread title? How would you even know this? Clearly Harry couldn’t just choose, as nobody was very happy when he left.

Funny that now he is actively seeking to be in the public eye , and the flashbulb phobia seems to be a thing of the past

How would you know? He clearly did lots of public events with anxiety and without the public knowing so you wouldn’t have a clue. He’s also had trauma counselling so as he said, this has got better.

Lots of shiny new posters here recently. Must be the coronation.

ExitChasedByAMemory · 22/04/2023 08:18

michaelmacrae · 21/04/2023 14:49

Well he would say that, wouldn't he? And Harry is entitled to his opinion about her too.

Camilla is no innocent. She had an affair with the heir to the throne who was also married. I'm pretty sure she knew what she was doing.

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This is an interesting thread and I’ve not come across any comments Harry made about Camilla so that was enlightening. Charles being the heir to throne took a very long time so if Camilla married him only for that reason then she clearly waited a very long time 😂 I seriously doubt that she only chose to have an affair because of Charles’ status. It feels like she did it in spite his position. They should have been allowed to marry in the first place. But everything has happened and it’s all in the past now.

ExitChasedByAMemory · 22/04/2023 08:23

PollyPeptide · 21/04/2023 19:14

I don't see how anyone who sees Charles and Camilla together would think they don't genuinely love each other and are happy together. Same with the Waleses and the Sussexes.

Why is there so much spite against these women?

Agreed. It’s also interesting how all the horrid nicknames seemed to be targeted at the women. Like why is it “Megzit” and “Waity Katie” etc.? It’s a good thing that Kate waited and decided what she wanted for herself and it’s also equally good that Meghan left because she clearly must have had a culture shock and seemed unprepared. I really dislike how the tabloids tear people down. They did it to Diana before she died and then suddenly elevated her to sainthood later.

michaelmacrae · 22/04/2023 12:32

I think Meghan leaving shows her strength. She seems to be someone who clearly knows her boundaries and sticks to it, and doesn't tolerate disrespect from anyone. The RF are just human beings like anyone else, so why should she put up with bad treatment, just to be in this country?

Unlike Diana who married very young, M had a life before Harry and knows a thing or two. Diana unfortunately learned a lot while still dealing with Charles and C crap and had to do a lot of her growing up in public. Feel so bad for Diana.

Sudeko · 22/04/2023 12:49

If you read between the lines of various leaked reports, I suspect that the issue between Harry and TPB is that the step-grandchildren of KC will now be used to fill in the gaps left by the absence of Harry's children, starting with the coronation. This will draw attention away from their their absence which is frustrating for Harry. Next year's Balmoral photo will probably be a blended group of grandchildren. It is also a positive thing for Kate and William who wont be perceived as being the meanies who drove out the Sussexes.

Inkanta · 22/04/2023 12:53

I think Meghan leaving shows her strength. She seems to be someone who clearly knows her boundaries and sticks to it, and doesn't tolerate disrespect from anyone. The RF are just human beings like anyone else, so why should she put up with bad treatment, just to be in this country

Yes that's what I think and good on her. I see her as a role model - even in declining the invitation to the coronation. She's an advocate for equality and can set boundaries with real strength even to the King of the UK.