The Royals are on the Brink of Collapse - SHOCKING REPORT !

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As the late Queen said 'apres moi le deluge' and here we are 3 weeks away from a coronation in which only 9% of the population are highly interested.

@Roussette absolutely agree and that has been my point to other posters, if you abolish the monarchy the RF will have more freedom to use all legitimate options such as off shore trusts to build their wealth and to maximise tax efficiency.

You can add David Beckham to the list of fools.

If we took the state's punchbowl away for the Royals I suspect we would see their true entitled, in the real sense, of their privileged lives. Whilst HMTLQ was alive most of the populace's view of them was seen through the prism of her longevity and near perfection at the role and whilst royalists grudgingly accepted the many of the foibles of the rest of them the argument came down to BUT the Queen(&PP). Indeed, the founder of Republic Graham Smith said as much it was a lost cause whilst she was alive. That considerable comfort blanket has now gone and more and more people are starting to question their role, legitimacy and continuation in 2023. The Coronation is the first litmus test - we shall see.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_(pressure_group)

Charming man - after he got caught with a hairdresser he allegedly set his sights on aristo gels who knew not to tell all for a tawdry sum...

In emails leaked in 2017, Beckham apparently toldhis long-time PR man Simon Oliveira that "everything is above board."
In the messages, which were published by Football Leaks, David allegedly made his feelings clear after being left off the 2014 honours list.
It is claimed he called the honours committee "unappreciative c*s" and branded the system "a f**king joke", adding he didn’t "care about being knighted".

@Novella4 I have no issue with applying the tax rules etc. to the monarchy so they are treated like everyone else. However, you then have to allow them to take advantage of all the lawful investment options and tax efficiencies open to everyone e.g. off shore trusts like the Duke of Westminster to minimise IHT.

Im sure everyone is well aware of that fact

Let get the 'royals' subject to the same laws as everyone else

That's what I and others are calling for

Not much to ask is it ?
Glad you agree

@Novella4 I love your confidence that everyone will have no issue with the RF legitimately avoiding IHT by using offshore trusts.

Le droit de Seigneur...

Well... as they don't pay IHT (Monarch to Monarch) HMRC would be richer for a huge bung from them when someone dies, bring it on (not death quite obviously! IHT!)

They will just be rich people. And then it is up to the public to challenge tax loopholes through Government and who they vote for.

The Duke of Westminster doesn’t pay IHT either. Richest man in Britain. Oh, I see someone got there first. It’s the height of naïveté to imagine they’d end up paying more tax.

@Blossomtoes exactly.

@Foreversearch
Is what the duke of Westminster does illegal?
If not , it is up to the government to change the rules

I want the royals subject to the law
Don't you?

So, they’d still be within the law, like the DoW and be paying no more tax than they do now, possibly less. What would be the point?

They would obviously be paying more tax! And of course we'd be better off without them.

If they use offshore trusts and the like, we can campaign for change. We are stuck with them with no hope of change and no transparency

Look at the security bill for instance. We have no idea how much it is because it is embarrassing to divulge quite obviously, and we are told it is a security risk to say how much it is. (yeah course it is ) I want to know how much severely stretched councils, police forces and other bodies have to shell out for security for them whilst we pay for them.
They would have to fund their own security out of their massive wealth for starters

@Novella4 The Duke of Westminster, like a lot of wealthy people, utilises legal tax efficiencies to minimise his tax liability including IHT.

The RF are subject to the law, but the law includes exceptions for the RF. The RF voluntarily pay tax because of historic public pressure.

The RF currently don’t use some of the legal tax efficiencies, it would not play well in the media or with the public.

You cannot have it both ways you either keep the status quo or remove exemptions from the RF so they pay tax like you and I but accept they will use legal tax efficiencies to minimise their tax liability including IHT.

@Roussette yes we could campaign for change to tax law, but the changes would apply to everyone and could result in wealthy people leaving the country and so tax revenue’s actually drop.

I suspect Lord, and Lady Muck would be loathe to leave their ancestral pile to live in some godforsaken tax bolthole populated by the ever vulgar super nouveau riche just to save a few bob on tax.

@Foreversearch
You are not correct

Charles is literally above the law
He cannot commit a crime as if he stabs someone it is not illegal

Let that sink in

I have no time to detail all financial abuse and obfuscation that you skim over / it's documented on other threads

In a nutshell - Charles et al do not pay tax like the rest of us. Until late in her reign the queen paid no tax at all ! The pressure was too great and she grudgingly'volunteered' some rather than accept obeying the law

Secret wills - for one reason only . To prevent the plebs from seeing their wealth( all originally stolen) .

Union Jack's have gone up on the lampposts in town ready for the big day. 🇬🇧 So exciting.
Only 16 days to go. 🎊

The Royal Family not stealing gifts given to the state would be a start.

I haven't heard anyone talking about the Coronation either way. There does not seem to be much interest in it.

Which gifts would those be?

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/13/revealed-official-gifts-to-royal-family-contained-in-100m-private-stamp-collection

I know what I'd prefer

@Novella4

Charles is literally above the law
He cannot commit a crime as if he stabs someone it is not illegal
Let that sink in
I have no issue with the law(s) granting the monarch immunity to be repealed. However, the monarch would get the same rights as everyone else e.g. innocent until proven guilty, a fair trial, no trial by media etc.

I have no time to detail all financial abuse and obfuscation that you skim over / it's documented on other threads

In a nutshell - Charles et al do not pay tax like the rest of us. Until late in her reign the queen paid no tax at all ! The pressure was too great and she grudgingly'volunteered' some rather than accept obeying the law

Change the law so they are treated the same as everyone else, but that also includes permitting them to maximise commercial opportunities and the legal tax efficiencies everyone else can use.

Secret wills - for one reason only . To prevent the plebs from seeing their wealth( all originally stolen) .
I’m nosy and think all wills should be public.