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The Royals are on the Brink of Collapse - SHOCKING REPORT !

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vera99 · 16/04/2023 20:36

As the late Queen said 'apres moi le deluge' and here we are 3 weeks away from a coronation in which only 9% of the population are highly interested.

The Royals are on the Brink of Collapse - SHOCKING REPORT !
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Blossomtoes · 18/04/2023 17:04

AskMeMore · 18/04/2023 17:02

Ah you mean the ceremonial roles. They do not need to happen, Just pass one law removing all ceremonial roles forthwith.
What would time is the royal family arguing that all the properties and jewellery they currently say belong to the state, will suddenly belong to them.

No I don’t mean the ceremonial roles. The monarchy - the institution, not the people - is the bedrock of our society. The “roles” are a fraction of its significance.

AskMeMore · 18/04/2023 17:06

They really are not.

Blossomtoes · 18/04/2023 17:10

They really are. How about you go and research exactly what the monarchy actually involves? Then you’ll be able to take part in a sensible discussion.

User135644 · 18/04/2023 17:13

vera99 · 16/04/2023 21:04

The Excess as Private Eye love to call it majors on Brexit, Madeleine McCann and Lady Di conspiracies but are now owned by Mirror Group. They endorsed Liz Truss for PM. That said the report that they sensationalise is a friendly word in their ears. Reform of die basically. K&W will need to graft something they seem to have an aversion to. And skip the foreign jollies and concentrate on the home front. H&M would have been a key asset - but they have let that ship sail away.

Their whole relevancy went when the Queen did, it was the end of an Age.

AskMeMore · 18/04/2023 17:14

Are insults all you have?
I am well aware how their ceremonial role is woven into our institutions.
I am also aware how they use their soft power to amass more wealth and exempt themselves from laws such as the equality act.

Blossomtoes · 18/04/2023 17:18

AskMeMore · 18/04/2023 17:14

Are insults all you have?
I am well aware how their ceremonial role is woven into our institutions.
I am also aware how they use their soft power to amass more wealth and exempt themselves from laws such as the equality act.

I’m not insulting you at all. You clearly don’t understand how the monarchy works in this country and its importance in the fabric of our society. It’s fine not to understand but it doesn’t help you much, does it?

AskMeMore · 18/04/2023 17:24

I am disagreeing that they are important to the fabric of our society. I am sure they think they are, but they are not.

Blossomtoes · 18/04/2023 17:27

Who’s they? You do know the institution is not the people, surely?

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vera99 · 18/04/2023 17:30

All the "soft" stuff in spades for HMTLQ and PP and their longevity and the spirit of the age so to speak. Now and going forward, other than wistful retrospective longing for what has gone I'm not sure what they bring to the table. The 9% of those excited about the Coronation obviously feel it, and it makes up no doubt a part of their concept of national identity but for the other 91% I'm sure it's not that important. Trade will go on, tourists will still visit, and the UK will stand or fall on the quality and depth of what we offer as a country not that of one increasingly dysfunctional and irrelevant aristocratic family.

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Boltonb · 18/04/2023 17:42

vera99 · 16/04/2023 21:04

The Excess as Private Eye love to call it majors on Brexit, Madeleine McCann and Lady Di conspiracies but are now owned by Mirror Group. They endorsed Liz Truss for PM. That said the report that they sensationalise is a friendly word in their ears. Reform of die basically. K&W will need to graft something they seem to have an aversion to. And skip the foreign jollies and concentrate on the home front. H&M would have been a key asset - but they have let that ship sail away.

Ah, I wondered what your inevitable point would be. Seemed a lot of drivel. But it’s a thinly veiled H&M support thread. Again

PollyThePixie · 18/04/2023 17:44

LadyMuckingabout · 18/04/2023 09:34

I watched every second of the Queen’s funeral. Atm I’m leaning, like pps, to watching a bit of the Coronation, weather dependent, and my interest is so so.

That does not mean I want some “President” to replace the rf. I think there’s been so much royal drama in the last few years that a Coronation is not that exciting. Everything needs to settle down a bit. No doubt history shows a fair few monarch who did not excite the public, eg strings of 18th/19th C Georges.

This. In a nutshell.

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vera99 · 18/04/2023 17:52

Boltonb · 18/04/2023 17:42

Ah, I wondered what your inevitable point would be. Seemed a lot of drivel. But it’s a thinly veiled H&M support thread. Again

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Like Clav I'm going out - but drivel you say - I'M SHOCKED !

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Novella4 · 18/04/2023 17:54

@LadyVictoriaSponge

'They have no power '

That is not my opinion. It's stated in their own website
' no political or executive role '

They have no power and that is a good thing

They do have influence but sadly use that only for their own benefitnd
I have no idea what bloosomtoes is talking about re power but if she means support .
No , that's going fast

wordler · 18/04/2023 18:29

The problem with changing from a constitutional monarchy to a republic with a length of history such as the one in the UK and the way our parliamentary system has been set up with a head of government plus separate head of state, and the way our law, military bodies, national church, key historical assets, money and even mail service are all closely intertwined with the monarch as head of state is that it's going to take decades (if not multiple decades) of work, and be very expensive to do.

Now, that is not a good reason not to do it. Because (done well) it only needs to be done once.

However, the government that sets it in motion is going to have to be super committed and be absolutely sure that a large majority of the country want it otherwise the expense, the complications etc will be a political minefield and you won't find many politicians wanting to step into that minefield.

Blossomtoes · 18/04/2023 18:37

I have no idea what bloosomtoes is talking about re power

I’ve never mentioned power.

but if she means support.

If I meant support, I’d say support.

No , that's going fast

It’s not going nearly as fast as you wish it was.

orangedalmatian · 18/04/2023 18:48

Whether we like it or not, it's good for tourism and charities. I can't imagine a president, or whatever we have to replace it all with, would be half as colourful and I wouldn't bother so much. I like the link with the past and enjoy history, and this is history being played out in front of us.

Of course it's a great big anachronism, but much more fun than the alternative. We'll see in May how many people attend, and how good or bad the tourism and viewing figures are.

LadyVictoriaSponge · 18/04/2023 18:53

No , that's going fast

I moan about them at times, probably like a lot of people but if push came to shove I think people would stick with the status quo, republicans are loud and vocal, that in itself does not mean support is on the wane, the quiet majority say nothing for fear of being accused of doffing caps or fawning but will show their support at the ballot box, wait! that reminds me of something…….🤔

orangedalmatian · 18/04/2023 19:16

Haha, it does, doesn't it

Novella4 · 18/04/2023 20:44

The two most repeated fallacies

1.'Royals are good for tourism '- this is fake news. It was based on a now debunked report . Look up the most popular tourist attractions in the uk - buildings associated with the 'royals' are not top

https://www.republic.org.uk/royaltourismmclaimcompleteefictionsayy_campaigners

  1. 'Royals are good for charities'
Royals do nothing for charities in fact for some they are actively detrimental . Charities help the 'royals' PR - not the other way round . This was all over the new last year - I am surprised ( not) that posters repeat this nonsense

giving-evidence.com/2020/07/16/royal-findings/

CathyorClaire · 18/04/2023 20:54

Andrew never did many engagements, and those he did were mainly to golf clubs and jollies.

Agreed.

And hopping on the helicopter to facilitate was of course entirely normal and in keeping.

Yet while he may not have done many official engagements, he still managed to fill those empty hours between them lining his bottomless pocket as the laughably titled 'trade envoy'.

CathyorClaire · 18/04/2023 21:14

Whether we like it or not, it's good for tourism and charities.

At risk of repeating myself ad nauseam. There is no evidence for either.

ThatSkinThatTheyPutMeIn · 18/04/2023 21:50

I would posit the notion that republic.org may not be looking at matters with entirely neutral peepers when it comes to commenting on all things royal. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I would like to know how many not my king T-shirts, mugs, etc., they have sold in comparison to all the coronation stuff though. Pound for pound.

Is that information available?

mixedrecycling · 18/04/2023 22:35

ThatSkinThatTheyPutMeIn · 18/04/2023 21:50

I would posit the notion that republic.org may not be looking at matters with entirely neutral peepers when it comes to commenting on all things royal. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I would like to know how many not my king T-shirts, mugs, etc., they have sold in comparison to all the coronation stuff though. Pound for pound.

Is that information available?

Really?! 😂

ThatSkinThatTheyPutMeIn · 18/04/2023 22:46

Sarcasm is wasted on some.

Really. 🤣