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Roussette · 31/03/2023 16:24

michaelmacrae · 31/03/2023 16:14

Yes, and yet Harry is called the "Judas" and disloyal. What is there to be loyal to, when your own father behaves like this?

I have to say, I am surprised at them employing this Daily Mail exec. Surely surely, there is better out there. I get what a PP says about knowing the tabloids, but the optics are not good. Not just because of H&M, but because DM is so vitriolic and right wing.
There was Charles in the German parliament talking about the Kinder Transport whilst our Government has said force can be used on small children coming here. The DM headlines on immigrants is absolutely abhorrent.

Samcro · 31/03/2023 16:27

jeffgoldblum · 31/03/2023 16:23

I know @Samcro , hardly anyone interested in the nice thread about Paul o'grady and camilla! .

shame, it was a lovely show.

jeffgoldblum · 31/03/2023 16:30

I haven't managed to find anywhere to view yet ! 😢

notanotheroneagain · 31/03/2023 17:40

Roussette · 31/03/2023 13:21

Exactlly!

It's been going on since the day Meghan came on the scene. I am sick to death of hearing 'I thought she was a breath of fresh air but then....' because the vile threads started the day after they got engaged. I can link it if you want. Have a look.
It's entitled "I'm fucking sick of Harry & Meghan already".

That was 2017 I believe. And it was horrible.

Of course, that is not everyone, there are some measured reasonable people out there. But those that decided they were not going to like her from day one, are prolific.

Someone said on here a few weeks back "I knew she was trouble as soon as she opened her mouth on that engagement interview"
Poor bloody woman, she never stood a chance with views like that.

Such a breath of fresh air, that they wrote about Compton and wrong side of the tracks.

Also,
what is this angle that the RF somehow did good PR for H. If that was the case, then he would not have been plastered all over the news as a drug addict hard partying teen (K&W were also portrayed as sh*tfaced falling out of clubs type too at that time, all just to save Charles and Camilla face from the looks of it).

https://twitter.com/Jasamgurlie/status/1467635881184047108

https://twitter.com/Jasamgurlie/status/1467635881184047108

notanotheroneagain · 31/03/2023 17:45

I didn't read the article. But I did read someone who had an opinion on it. I actually doubted that this lady's friend interviewed MM, considering she has had one interview with a woman aside from Oprah since she left.

Sounds like another clout chaser trying to get publicity at the back of H&M from what I see.

'Royal expert' 😂

Meghan Markle has ‘warped sense of reality,’ Vanity Fair writer says
Meghan Markle has ‘warped sense of reality,’ Vanity Fair writer says
jeffgoldblum · 31/03/2023 17:47

I'd advise posters not to click on the twitter link , it leads to a rather unpleasant post.

notanotheroneagain · 31/03/2023 17:55

PlanetLuna · 31/03/2023 13:22

Yes, really. 😂

Spare is beautifully written, honest, captivating, and indeed shocking in places - usually with humour. That’s why it’s a bestseller.

It unapologetically pushes back against much of what has been published about Harry by others. It’s bitterly cutting toward tabloids and their acolytes, but overall it is not hateful or mean spirited.

This review has an interesting take. https://slate.com/culture/2023/01/prince-harry-book-spare-sales-review.html

This whole invasion of others’ privacy argument is just nonsensical sour grapes. He’s an adult, free to set the record straight, which he did. We don’t all have to like it. 😏

Apparently, when Harry writes a book it must go something like :

I woke up that morning - don't say who you woke up next to or who woke you up because you are violating their privacy. Who you had breakfast with - same reason. Went to the shop - don't say what took place for same reason. Had a meeting - don't say who with. Rang some friends - don't say who. Watched a movie with mates - well, you get the picture.

Actually, don't mention any of the above events because there will be so much speculation when you don't describe and name them that they will have to come out on TV and you have therefore invaded their privacy.

So your whole book must be about how you woke up alone, ate alone, watched the telly alone and went to bed alone. Maybe jazz things up a bit by exercising alone 😅

Roussette · 31/03/2023 18:02

Haha yes! And don't you dare not mention anything or anyone because that means you are implicating someone who it might not be and that's not fair to them 😅

notanotheroneagain · 31/03/2023 18:07

jeffgoldblum · 31/03/2023 17:47

I'd advise posters not to click on the twitter link , it leads to a rather unpleasant post.

An anti MM troll put some photoshopped pics this year - 2yrs later, and you won't see it if you do not go looking for it under the hidden comments.

I actually did not see it as it was never there for over 2yrs.

I think you will find most tweets have unpleasant things posted about MM and we are supposed to believe she is not trolled. I have to say, whoever is behind the smear is going deeper and deeper in the murk, going to old tweets and inserting filth on them without anyone noticing.

PlanetLuna · 31/03/2023 18:08

The US media is in a much worse state from what I've seen than UK - but only because the UK currently has the BBC and channel 4 news- and more niche publications like Private Eye.

The print media - is a declining market share with declining influence - and at local and national level is dire straits and has been for some time.

Radio and TV news is in slightly better place though any have concerns both about BBC coverage and biases creeping in and how under attack they are.

I also think post brexit and post covid many more are more skeptical of media coverages and biases and many are making huge strides to take in news from more sources - but it's hard to gauge how widespread that feeling and behavior actually is.

That’s so interesting. Thanks - great post @diflasu.

My earlier knee jerk reply was without having read the full thread (sorry @MamoruHisaishi 🕊😇) with

I agree overall with your comments about the health of US & UK media, that the robustness of the US media has declined overall which is a threat to equality and democracy. I’ll only add that both PBS and C-SPAN in the US provide important nonpartisan broadcast & digital balance, including regional coverage. CNN has lurched right as has the NYT print/digital but are still credible. As are MSNBC and the major networks. Major papers like WA Post and NYT and large regionals are still hanging on - though NYT is less reliable than it used to be. Many US digital outlets are also extremely reliable.

Relatedly, Citizens United is still the biggest and loudest threat to democracy in the US and needs to end.

My earlier point was focused only on what I perceived as an assertion that the US media is somehow more manipulative than the UK media. Even with right-leaning regional broadcast conglomerates and dwindling local print, we will not see in the US the sort of wholesale & coordinated attacks, misinformation, and exploitation (& it’s normalisation) across print & broadcast media that we’ve seen in the UK (in this case, to sway opinion against MM & PH). It’s just not going to happen. Which is why all the wishful thinking “H&M are unpopular in the US” articles, polls and efforts are so silly.

PlanetLuna · 31/03/2023 18:14

notanotheroneagain · 31/03/2023 17:55

Apparently, when Harry writes a book it must go something like :

I woke up that morning - don't say who you woke up next to or who woke you up because you are violating their privacy. Who you had breakfast with - same reason. Went to the shop - don't say what took place for same reason. Had a meeting - don't say who with. Rang some friends - don't say who. Watched a movie with mates - well, you get the picture.

Actually, don't mention any of the above events because there will be so much speculation when you don't describe and name them that they will have to come out on TV and you have therefore invaded their privacy.

So your whole book must be about how you woke up alone, ate alone, watched the telly alone and went to bed alone. Maybe jazz things up a bit by exercising alone 😅

So your whole book must be about how you woke up alone, ate alone, watched the telly alone and went to bed alone. Maybe jazz things up a bit by exercising alone 😅

Mhmmm. Riveting. 🧐

🤣🤣🤣

PlanetLuna · 31/03/2023 18:17

Roussette · 31/03/2023 18:02

Haha yes! And don't you dare not mention anything or anyone because that means you are implicating someone who it might not be and that's not fair to them 😅

😱😱😱

RocketsMagnificent7 · 31/03/2023 18:26

Roussette · 31/03/2023 12:45

Harry's or meghans phones have not been hacked recently and even in the ongoing case which is over incidents that happened when he was a teenager, I don't believe his phone was hacked then

So... because of your dislike of Harry, you don't believe his phone was hacked, is that what you're saying?

This is so disingenuous. You've missed the final part of that quote.

Context is key and by missing the final part of the sentence you've changed the whole context of what this poster meant.

You're very quick to point the finger at others, while playing innocent yourself.

TrashyPanda · 31/03/2023 18:27

oakleaffy · 31/03/2023 11:15

Agree...Selling stories about his family is all he can do to make money.

The hypocrisy is ridiculous.

All this wanting ''Titles''....It's because he wants to use those 'Tidles' as currency in USA.

Harry has definitely shown himself to be rather unpleasant.

Very true

StormzyinaTCup · 31/03/2023 18:35

Blimey!!
Just catching from this morning and it's a lot of posts to catch up on, however, I think I can safely say that in my 15+ years on MN I can't think of any one single person (or couple) that has been quite so divisive (and I'm including politicians in that). Not sure it's something you would want to include as an achievement on your resume though. There's a psychology study in the making I reckon, its actually quite interesting.

PlanetLuna · 31/03/2023 18:43

Really??? Oh wow. 😬

Think it’ll worsen as the coronation approaches?

purpledalmation · 31/03/2023 18:59

PlanetLuna · 31/03/2023 14:15

Nonsense.

@MamoruHisaishi There, that's put you in your place!

Do people actually think the word 'nonsense' takes the place of legitimate criticism, critical thinking and just plain observation?

purpledalmation · 31/03/2023 19:02

michaelmacrae · 31/03/2023 14:19

... but still with their contacts, and influence, and knowledge of the inner workings of the tabloids. Oh, and the same attitudes they would have had when they were tabloid "journalists". Probably why they were hired specifically, and not some other random press person.

Just because you say that, doesn't make it true. There could be other more legitimate explanations of equal worth.

I'm astonished on MN how many people think they can offer opinion as though it were evidence.

Roussette · 31/03/2023 19:04

RocketsMagnificent7 · 31/03/2023 18:26

This is so disingenuous. You've missed the final part of that quote.

Context is key and by missing the final part of the sentence you've changed the whole context of what this poster meant.

You're very quick to point the finger at others, while playing innocent yourself.

Harry's or meghans phones have not been hacked recently and even in the ongoing case which is over incidents that happened when he was a teenager, I don't believe his phone was hacked then

Above is the whole quote. The poster does not believe he was ever hacked. I have no idea what you mean.

Do tell me how the context has changed and how I am 'playing innocent'.

purpledalmation · 31/03/2023 19:07

Roussette · 31/03/2023 16:24

I have to say, I am surprised at them employing this Daily Mail exec. Surely surely, there is better out there. I get what a PP says about knowing the tabloids, but the optics are not good. Not just because of H&M, but because DM is so vitriolic and right wing.
There was Charles in the German parliament talking about the Kinder Transport whilst our Government has said force can be used on small children coming here. The DM headlines on immigrants is absolutely abhorrent.

An alternative view on why this man was employed by the palace was precisely because he had the right contacts, knew how the system worked and could operate it to the benefit of his new employers, not to denigrate a wayward son and his wife (who are doing a fabulous job without any help from outside) but to promote the RF and their charity and philanthropic work.

Just sayin

Roussette · 31/03/2023 19:09

purpledalmation · 31/03/2023 19:07

An alternative view on why this man was employed by the palace was precisely because he had the right contacts, knew how the system worked and could operate it to the benefit of his new employers, not to denigrate a wayward son and his wife (who are doing a fabulous job without any help from outside) but to promote the RF and their charity and philanthropic work.

Just sayin

That says all we need to know!

RocketsMagnificent7 · 31/03/2023 19:11

Harry's or meghans phones have not been hacked recently and even in the ongoing case which is over incidents that happened when he was a teenager, I don't believe his phone was hacked then. His girlfriends car I believe was bugged?

Here you go @Roussette the full context. They're not saying they don't believe he was bugged but that it wasn't his phone but his girlfriend's car. They're acknowledging he was in fact bugged, simply querying in which manner. This isn't justifying said bugging, but clarifying the exact circumstances.

purpledalmation · 31/03/2023 19:14

Harry has no evidence of actual phone hacking and a major witness for the prosecution (that private investigator (sorry dont know name)) has now recanted his evidence of hacking and using his investigative skills to invade the privacy of the claimants. He now says he didn't say he did these things, hence there may now need to be a full court hearing because the evidence needs to be tested to find out who is lying.

GrinAndVomit · 31/03/2023 19:15

RocketsMagnificent7 · 31/03/2023 19:11

Harry's or meghans phones have not been hacked recently and even in the ongoing case which is over incidents that happened when he was a teenager, I don't believe his phone was hacked then. His girlfriends car I believe was bugged?

Here you go @Roussette the full context. They're not saying they don't believe he was bugged but that it wasn't his phone but his girlfriend's car. They're acknowledging he was in fact bugged, simply querying in which manner. This isn't justifying said bugging, but clarifying the exact circumstances.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who has noticed this little habit.

purpledalmation · 31/03/2023 19:15

RocketsMagnificent7 · 31/03/2023 19:11

Harry's or meghans phones have not been hacked recently and even in the ongoing case which is over incidents that happened when he was a teenager, I don't believe his phone was hacked then. His girlfriends car I believe was bugged?

Here you go @Roussette the full context. They're not saying they don't believe he was bugged but that it wasn't his phone but his girlfriend's car. They're acknowledging he was in fact bugged, simply querying in which manner. This isn't justifying said bugging, but clarifying the exact circumstances.

I think I also said any invasion of privacy, bugging, hacking whatever was disgusting. No prevarication there on my part. said it many times

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