Wales Children in Coronation procession

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George, Charlotte and Louis will be in the Coronation Procession. A shame Archie was not invited to join them.

They are two completely different events with completely different purposes. Both are for a very select few and both cost money to stage. Some events are out of reach of ordinary people. Sailing for instance

But at least the Olympics does raise awareness of the inequalities as lots of elite sports are very gradually trying to become more inclusive. Not everyone can become Elite but many, many can excel and even more can be great at their level and enjoy it.

Admittedly it is still very expensive. However I noticed that lots of schools and holiday camps used the Olympic to encourage children to become more involved in sports. Isn't that a good thing? Sainsbury’s had a reward scheme that schools could exchange for kids basic sports equipment.

I don't think sailing is good example but Ive linked this because of your comment.

www.yachtingworld.com/all-latest-posts/inner-city-sailing-hero-2018s-young-sailor-of-the-year-111947. Jayson is not the only. There are a few more clubs.

There are also many successes in cricket, horse racing, cycling, rugby, swimming just to name a few.

The way of the RF saying it, or millions of people commemorating a new HoS? I vaguely remember QE2's Silver Jubilee. I had no idea of anything about constitutional arrangements, but do remember some fun events where everyone got together, including people we didn't usually speak to. Everyone seemed to be in a good mood 😀

I think if important parts of your culture include an elitist class system where one family is at the top and must be bowed and curtsied to, who you give huge sums of money and assets to posses while many millions struggle with so little, I think you should probably reflect on what that says about your culture and traditions. If you spend 100 million on a party to celebrate that individuals position at the top of this system, well I think that is immoral, given what else it could be spent on. If you think that kind of money ‘won’t do much’ to solve the problems we have, I don’t think you can have experienced what it is to just miss out on help you need, things like losing people because there wasn’t enough resources to give them medical care quick enough.

It's a fallacy to suggest it's only the UK which has an elitist class system. Class systems abound the world over.

What would you spend the £100m on that would make a difference to every citizen? What would you use that £1.45 or so per head of population for? Buy everyone a sticky bun?

Yes but Archie is too young to fly over without his toxic parents, so...

It is far more than £100 million and includes loads of inheritance tax and security bills. The Coronation itself will cost in real terms twice the cost of Elizabeths coronation.
Charles likes spending other peoples money.

His pot plants told him to go for it during one of his chats 😆

Don't you hate how he thinks he's being all eco friendly recycling a carriage like we don't know that this event wont be free?

Do these carriages have built-in commodes?

What do you mean “includes loads of inheritance tax and security bills”?

Also, there is no point comparing the cost of a Coronation that took place 75 years ago with one that is taking place today. That is like comparing house prices 75 years ago with those of today.

@smilesy I said in real terms. Use an inflation calculator. In real terms the Coronation is twice as expensive.

And I bet security accounts for a large part of the increase. It's a different world. The actual coronation ceremony itself is considerably downsized.

The ceremony is 90 minutes instead of 3 hours. There are far less guests in the Abbey because the way they packed them in for Elizabeth violates health and safety laws these days. Everything else around the Coronation weekend is bigger than Elizabeths.

I know that. Estimates at about 46m for ER as opposed to 100m for CR. My point being that even allowing for inflation, the cost of elements of the coronation will be relatively higher than 70years ago. Prices and costs do not increase in a linear fashion so a direct comparison is not possible. If wages are relatively higher today than they were 70 years ago, for example, then the cost of securing personnel will be relatively higher. If the cost of fuel is higher then that will be relatively higher too.

Everything else around the Coronation weekend is bigger than Elizabeths

what is “everything else “?

Coronation Concert. Just googled and there is nothing else. I cant see why it is all costing so much.

Actually, looking around on Google, there is no actual official figure for the cost of the coronation at this point in time. The £100m is just speculation it would appear 🤷‍♀️

So when you stated 'Everything else around the Coronation weekend is bigger than Elizabeths.' you were fibbing exaggerating.

There is no actual official figure for the cost of the coronation ...

No, and as things stand there won't be, because the full cost would have to include security and that's never commented on

Which is quite convenient really; obviously I totally get why they don't say what's actually being done, but I've not yet seen a good argument for why the overall cost shouldn't be disclosed

On the other hand, the US President's inauguration happens every 4 years. I wonder how much all the inaugurations since 1953 would add up to? 17 inaugurations vs 1 coronation. Admittedly QE2 was an exceptionally long reign, and of course you don't know in advance how many inaugurations you can spend all at once.

Let's assume Charles lasts 12-15 years - that's 3 presidential inaugurations. So 3x the average cost of the presidential inauguration might be the going rate? Luckily he had children relatively late (compared to his mother) so we could perhaps assume William would last 20-23 years, and be able to spend 5 presidential inaugurations?

Just trying to establish a benchmark that would make everyone happy...

Why on earth does anyone compare the US to UK? They are over forty times bigger than the UK with an annual GDP of 23 trillion compared to ours about 3.

No problem, adjust the figures for the difference in GDP.

As I said, just trying to work out a rough formula that everyone can agree on as a suitable cost for celebrating/acknowledging a new Head of State

Interesting that their size is 40 times that of the UK, and GDP only 7 times larger... anyway...

Let's assume a monarch will last 4 presidential cycles, and their GDP is 7 times that of the UK. So would presidential spend x4 then divided by 7 be acceptable, even to republicans?

What has America got to do with this? Why are they the bar? I think it’s obscene how much they waste too, their elections waste an enormous sum of money too. It’s gross. Lots of pomp and ceremony using public money, while others struggle just to feed and clothe themselves.