Prince Andrew BACK in the royal fold

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How do you feel about this development?

Interesting posts @Roussette @Novella4 @CathyorClaire

I’m in complete agreement.

It’s frustrating that none of these issues are ever up for public discussion and debate.
We get distracted by (deliberate?) nonsense and gossip.

@CathyorClaire your posts are particularly enlightening. Thank you sharing. There’s a lot I wasn’t aware of! I suspected, but was never aware of the finer details.

You're welcome 🙂

I just wish more people were interested.

I think more people are interested than you realise. It’s nice to have fresh views and perspectives. Keep doing what you’re doing 👌🏼

Also, if it makes you feel any better/hopeful my nieces and nephews’ generation are very clued up!

If I repeat some of those conversations here, my account would be deleted lol.

@MissElinorDashwood

Thats my experience too - the younger generations ARE far more clued up and I don’t know one young person who is interested or admiring of the Windsors .
I also agree with your point about deliberate deflection by talking about clothes and personalities . It’s a classic distraction technique

For those who drool over blood diamonds and only discuss ‘royal’ clothes - well - I have no words. I can only assume most who focus solely on that have not yet woken up to what the Windsors truly represent .

As for personalities - I am as guilty as anyone of being sucked into that game . I never showed any interest in ‘royals’ (anti monarchy as soon as I became aware of the issue as a child lol) until the H and M hate threads on here .

I do believe those republicans who pointed that the W and K v H and M row is part of the distraction are right . Though I’m glad that H and M are telling the truth - esp about the ‘royals’ and the press

The Windsors know they have a lot to hide and that their life of excess has no justification - so the cult of personality is developed . We are being sold a ‘perfect family’ ( W and K lol) star crossed lovers ( C and C) etc to distract . It has worked on some - see the deluded souls sobbing ‘ she was like my granny’ when Elizabeth died. There will always be individuals who need a parasocial relationship with celebrities ( which is what the Windsors are - crap ones though)

That the degree of secrecy is so extreme and so necessary , tells you all you need to know . The Windsors continue because the truth is withheld from the public

@MissElinorDashwood

Please tell us about the conversations!

Also remember brave individuals like Rory in Edinburgh- shouting clearly at Andrew and those arrested for holding up signs

People know .

Double perv godparents then. Williams godfather is Laurens Van Der Post who got a 14 year old pregnant when he was 40 something

Yes @CathyorClaire and @MissElinorDashwood the younger you are the more you care about this type of thing in my experience, my kids tell me there is a lot of this type of scrutiny and discussion like what you share @CathyorClaire of the royals on tiktok for example

Double perv godparents then. Williams godfather is Laurens Van Der Post who got a 14 year old pregnant when he was 40 something

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I hadn't clocked that.

So many unwise connections for a HoS we cannot vote out 😡

MissElinorDashwood and Iwantcakeeveryday

I'd love to think people are getting clued up but IME literally no-one wants to talk about it (hence my being here)

80+ DM doesn't want to hear a word of criticism and my adult dc are at best indifferent.

My best hopes for the revolution are pinned on youth indifference particularly as we may be headed for 40 or 50 years of relatively elderly incumbents.

So many unwise connections for a HoS we cannot vote out 😡

Yes. I mean, what are the chances anyone would have so many connections to pedophiles?

What indeed?

In fairness I get that paedophiles are attracted to people with status because of the "cover" they offer, but does Charles have to fall into their laps quite so easily - especially those who are known about?

To paraphrase, one pervert friend could be an accident; two or more looks like carelessness (or possibly much worse)

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I am always amazed at how much those that love the Monarchy don't even particularly want to talk about them!
Why?
Even in a good light, their visits, their charity stuff... the threads are always sparsely populated, no one saying much at all.

As for lack of criticism, I just do not get it. Why are people so accepting? I have a friend who loves the RF. She is like others on here... she doesn't think beyond dresses, pomp, horses, hats and tiaras!

To me, it'd as bad to be so accepting as to not question what our Government do.

I like clothes and jewels so I do like to see what royals (and indeed celebs at the Oscars etc) wear but I'm categorically NOT a monarchist!

I agree re Charles' dodgy friendships but excuses are made for him time after time - he didn't know, he had poor judgement etc etc. Last year (I think?) a book came out about courtiers and from the excerpts I thought Charles came across pretty badly but as ever, people only wanted to stick the knife into Harry and Meghan. Charles and his dubious connections were minimised. H&M left nearly 4 years ago - in the grand scheme of things they don't really matter. But Charles is the king!

There are also rumours about Lord Mountbatten for similar reasons. His papers have also been sealed, despite him not being a member of the Royal Family.

@Angrycat2768

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-63319930.amp

The FBI had a file on Mountbatten from
decades ago

Andrew Lownie is a historian and biographer who has done amazing work trying to get access to locked ‘royal’ papers.
He has fought ( and I think paid a great deal in legal fees) to get access to Mountbatten papers . It cost him £400000 and FOI requests etc

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/prince-andrew-biographer-government-s-attempts-block-research-thomas-straker-b1098399.html

If the rumours about Mountbatten were indeed true then you do have to wonder about him more or less raising Prince Phillip and being so close to Charles.

But it's Charles getting Jimmy Savile in to act as marriage counsellor that really staggers me. His sexual proclivities maybe have been unknown at the time but he was still a very creepy man - how could Charles not see what a bizarre choice he was? Poor Diana!

Well quite. He was like a svengali figure to both of them. He had a huge amount if influence over the RF. Weirdly so.

I'm always amazed by the numbers who claim a man who had a whole team of people whose sole job was to look after his interests and image could not have been made aware of the rumours surrounding Savile.

This is an interesting read that confirms Charles wouldn't listen to advice about him:

EPHRAIM HARDCASTLE: King Charles's friendship with Jimmy Savile is further confirmed by the revelation that after Prince Harry's birth he was included in a long list of potential godfathers | Daily Mail Online

I agree @AnnunciataZ

I know a lot of people were taken in, it was a different time, but there were also a lot of people who had a funny feeling about him and swerved him because of that.

I have no idea why members of the RF mix with such dodgy characters... from Andrew with convicted sex traffickers, gun smugglers, Oligarchs willing to pay him massive dosh for favours, paedophiles...
And Charles with larger than life Jimmy Saville, one of the worst paedophiles in history.. and his favourite Bishop again a paedophile.

The trouble is... I don't think they see any wrong with it. When they are caught out, it's all brushed under the carpet like it didn't happen.

Typified by Andrew saying he couldn't see anything wrong with his relationship with Epstein. He doesn't regret the friendship because of the opportunities it gave him. And spending four days breaking up with JE was 'showing leadership'

I do think Andrew typifies the behaviour of this family. In varying degrees of course.

He doesn't regret the friendship because of the opportunities it gave him

I remember him saying that in the interview. It sums it all up really. Contact and even friendship with anyone regardless of facts or rumours is fine as long as there is some benefit/money/opportunities etc.

I do think it is true that perverts and predators can be very skilled in getting alongside people who they can use to their own advantage but the RF above all are surrounded by advisors and aides whose job it is to ensure that their principals do not get involved with the wrong people. Either they failed in their job or they were ignored,

Just leaving this here:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/14/friendship-with-prince-charles-made-paedophile-bishop-peter-ball-impregnable

I'm always amazed by the numbers who claim a man who had a whole team of people whose sole job was to look after his interests and image could not have been made aware of the rumours surrounding Savile

@CathyorClaire

This is what I will never ever get about all members of the RF. I include K&W in that (caribbean royal tour, landrover looking down, kids behind chain fence etc),

They have the best of the best to advise them. Personal Secretaries, Aides, Comms people, Publicity people... yet they just put their foot in it time and time again. It's bloody weird.

I think it's a mixture of members of the RF wanting to seem 'ordinary' by mixing with the likes of Savile, to a huge swathe of the population and even the people that work for them... being in awe of them and not ever saying 'NO, this is not a good idea even if you really want to do this'.

The only one who stood out for me standing by his principles was Andrew's communications Secretary resigning if he went ahead with the carcrash interview. He advised him not to. Andrew didn't listen. The guy left.

Well yes, but given his relationship with Charles it's pretty obvious that any disclosures would lead to further questions about the Head of State, so naturally that's got to be closed down too

Ditto Andrew, though as I've said so often the RF may not be able to risk alienating him too much for fear of what he also might disclose.
Wasn't there some suggestion of him writing a book too, and didn't the thing about him vacating Royal Lodge magically vanish around that time, or was that just more media invention?