HRH Prince Archie Harrison 0f Sussex and HRH Princess Lilibet Diana of Sussex

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Will Sussex be their last names? How does that work?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/harry-meghan-racism-award/.

I think this was a bit naughty also given them reigning back a bit

I think in some ways she did what a lot of people would do - she assumed that her husband knew his family, the family business and trusted him to teach her.

I’ve said a few times on here that if she posted about some of the things he appears to have completely misinformed her of she’d have got a resounding “LTB”.

and in her shoes I’d be constantly wondering if that was accidental or deliberate on his part. Chelsy and Cressida both walked away from him when they realised what marrying him would entail… it’s interesting in many ways that the woman who did go down the aisle with him was the one that didn’t appear to know much about how it would go.

Thanks, Howsimplywonderful. I've usually got a pretty good memory for these things but am quite prepared to accept I could have been mistaken; as mentioned it's not made any easier to find by all the media nonsense produced since!!

Whaeanui it was Kerry Kennedy who implicated the RF in H&M being given the Ripple of Hope award: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/prince-harry-meghan-markle-human-rights-racism-b2229406.html

This is the section I meant

@Howsimplywonderful - did not the late Queen offer them a job as being Commonwealth ambassadors - apparently they turned it down .

They clearly implied on the Oprah interview, that Archie would not get to be a Prince because of his race. This article quotes both what Harry said when Spare was published, and what was said in the Oprah interview. They obviously never said that the RF was racist in as many words, but the implication was clear

See here

Accepting that award was probably one of the most cynical and duplicitous things they've done tbh. Having sullied the name of the RF worldwide for 2 years for being racist, H finally acknowledged that the family was not racist. So they were basically rewarded for fighting something that didn't exist in the first place!

That award should be rescinded.

Kerry Kennedy ‘they knew they would be ostracised for standing up against racism’

@letthemalldoone - I tend to agree with you - high visibility impressive award - yes they are there - if you examine it - they should have politely declined if what they said later they believe.

But I think they want their high profile things. Trouble is - I used to like Harry - it seemed after being a bit of a shouty , drunk teenager he was coming out of things and being much better but now I just think every time he opens his mouth it is an open goal . & I think such a shame because I think H&M could have done such a good job within the RF but they obviously wanted more money - so good on 'em for trying but it will be interesting how it-lays out.

I haven't seen posters not 'want them to be Prince and Princess'. They held those titles from the moment the Queen died. Various posters have pointed out that it is hypocritical to use them when also expressing considerable dissatisfaction with the RF for being toxic, connected to slavery etc, and that Edward and Sophie's children's titles show there is no need to use 'Prince/ss'.

When someone ascribes 'hate' as the motivation/feelings of people who disagree with them I think it is a reflection of their own feelings, not necessarily those of the people disagreeing. Plus an indication that their own position doesn't stand up to rational discussion.

I haven't seen posters not 'want them to be Prince and Princess'. They held those titles from the moment the Queen died. Various posters have pointed out that it is hypocritical to use them when also expressing considerable dissatisfaction with the RF for being toxic, connected to slavery etc, and that Edward and Sophie's children's titles show there is no need to use 'Prince/ss'.
After with this.
There's no hatred in pointing out the hypocrisy of public figures who choose to remain in the limelight and talk about a topic to the press, whether that's members of the royal family or anyone else in the public eye.

This.

This is repeated over and over on these threads.

MM did mention the LPs, and her impression was that they would be changed to stop A&L from obtaining their titles. A good thing she called them out publicly because they would have quietly done it too. If you recall, they never consulted H&M about how they announce Archie's birth. They also did not change their titles while they did that with speed for Camila/Charles/ W&K.

They also did not rescind anything. Unconscious bias means you are not aware of your own racism (not you @Whaeanui )

Why would you even want your kids to be tied to a family/an institution that is supposedly so toxic that Harry was traumatised growing up in it? Or that it nearly killed his wife? Or that it’s tied to colonialism/racism? Regardless if it’s their birthright/legacy, since they live in a country where royal titles aren’t even recognised, why would you publicly claim those for your kids instead of renouncing it therefore giving their kids true freedom, or even waiting until their kids are of age like Sophie and Edward have done? It just shows their utter hypocrisy.

Why should the children birthrights be affected by the adults choices?

I think as there has been so much talk about how awful the royal family is, the need to escape, etc., and Harry and Meghan are wanting to do it all differently, they should use Markle. Archie Markle, Lilibet Markle and Harry can surely change his name to Harry Markle if he feels left out.

Voila, problem solved!

@denpark surely the children should be allowed to choose whether to use their titles, as Edward children have (as in chosen not to)? Birthright is a meaningless phrase in a republican country like America. It's meaningless to a small child and a toddler. It's meaningless in terms of what it gives them in America.

So the bottom line is the children's parents have made this decision for them, therefore you have to lay this at their door and ask what their motives were. Its gross hypocrisy from a pair who offered to give up their titles, who have denigrated the whole royal family, called them racist, told numerous lies yet made £millions off the back of a system they detest.

Incomprehensible to normal people. Personally I think they have used the titles as it gives leverage over the security argument and because it's a fabulous opportunity to merche them

Why should the children birthrights be affected by the adults choices?

The styles of Prince and Princess aren’t the children’s “birthrights” though, as they had no entitlement to them when born.

Archie and Lilibet only gained the ability to adopt the styles when the Queen died, and their grandfather became King. If Prince Charles had predeceased his mother, they would never had had the option of using them at all. And, as many posters have explained many times, they are only available at the discretion of the monarch (George V “de-princed” quite a few of his relatives when he streamlined the rules in 1917, and the Queen of Denmark has just removed the titles from four of her grandchildren). So, they are a discretionary benefit, not a right.

Their actual birthright - something that no-one in the royal family can do anything about - was to be styled as Lord Dumbarton and Lady Lilibet from birth. Something their parents obviously chose not to do. Clearly, their parents have their own reasons for wanting their children to take up the Prince and Princess titles several years after their birth, rather than the titles that genuinely were their birthright. Given the many times their parents have complained about the Royal institution, and made comments like “It means everything to me on every level; we are linked not ranked” it certainly can be perceived as a hypocritical stance for them to have taken.

Why would you even want your kids to be tied to a family/an institution that is supposedly so toxic that Harry was traumatised growing up in it? Or that it nearly killed his wife? Or that it’s tied to colonialism/racism?

Why indeed? Or at least why wouldn't you allow the children to make those choices for themselves when they're mature enough to make them, as others have done?

I wouldn't bother expecting any answers though; this has been asked time and again, only to be brushed aside by those who presumably find it inconvenient

Yeah why taking away a potential monetising tool, either for you or parents?
Imagine being a "princess" 🥱

You are completely incorrect. As the grandchildren of the monarch-in-waiting their birthrights are the titles of Prince and Princess. They were just not able to have these titles until their great-grandmother died.

There is nothing in Serenster’s post that is incorrect.

Archie and Lilibet only became entitled to HRH Prince and Princess when their grandfather became King.

Had he not become King they’d never have got those titles.

Exactly...if Charles (their grandfather) had died suddenly just before the Queen did and William had become king instead of Charles then Archie & Lilibet would not have inherited the titles prince and princess. So not a birthright (privilege from birth)

Meghan obviously writes these press statements and has no clue, Harry is too thick to do any admin or release statements and they don't have anyone advising them understands royal protocol...so it's Jeff to Meghan who is an intelligent woman but still gets things very wrong

I think as there has been so much talk about how awful the royal family is, the need to escape, etc., and Harry and Meghan are wanting to do it all differently, they should use Markle. Archie Markle, Lilibet Markle and Harry can surely change his name to Harry Markle if he feels left out. Voila, problem solved!

I am pleased to direct your attention to the Queen's declaration made in April 1960, which amended one from 8 years before, 1952, concerning the name of the royal house that she and Phillip started.

"Now therefore I declare My Will and Pleasure that, while I and My Children shall continue to be styled and known as the House and Family of Windsor, My descendants other than descendants enjoying the style, title or attribute of Royal Highness and the titular dignity of Prince or Princess and female descendants who marry and their descendants shall bear the name of Mountbatten-Windsor.""

So you will find, dear @daretodenim that because Harry and the kids enjoy the titular dignity of Prince and Princess, they do not need a surname and if ever they did, that surname would be Mountbatten-Windsor.

Harry and the children would only ever be called Markle in your fervid imagination.