How do republicans who support H&M feel about 'princess' lillibet

[purpledalmation]

I mean how do you reconcile the, to me, gross hypocrisy of saying you want to leave the royal family to pursue your own projects and for privacy and would give up their royal titles.

Their own projects so far consist of trashing the royal family and making money from it, while clinging to their royal titles.

Privacy consists of reality tv shows, public therapy sessions and a book tour.

They touted their children's privacy and security as a reason for leaving yet they name their children prince and princess. A sure fire way to draw attention to them and reduce their security.

I honestly want to know how people who want the monarchy gone yet praise harry and Meghan for their bravery in standing up to the RF, square this circle?

I know there have been many threads. I'm usually on them!

Have there been any other sources for changes to the 1917 LP in ways that would affect the Sussex DC?

PS: I'm unconnected to the Palace, so I have no idea what if anything they are saying. But it's been my view since the death of ER II - here's a post of mine from 10th Sept 2022 (and I've made other posts in similar vein from that time onwards) about entries on the royal.uk website immediately after the accession

"it also does not describe the Wessex DC as TRH Prince and Princess even though they are entitled to use them. The Wessex parents (and Lady Louise once she turned 18) decided not to use them. The Letters Patent gave the Sussex DC the right to use the styles of TRH Prince and Princess, as they have become the DGC of a monarch, and so it is now up to the parents to decide if they bring them in to use"

It obviously was true.

Why is it obvious? The only mention of it that I am aware of was by Meghan in the OW interview.

I think the poster means “name”
themselves as in “refer to themselves as Prince and Princess. Not use the titles as their names 😂😂

Not a republican, as chances are you'll end up with a psycopathic despot in charge, I'd be much happier with a heavily trimmed down Royal Family who are much more accountable, goes without saying that deadwood - sex pests (Andrew), scammers (Meghan) and druggies (Harry) are out. I'm not under any illusion that other members of the RF don't have skeletons in their closet, so they should be gradually removed.

Western republic democracies don’t generally have psychopaths in charge. Apart from Trump.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow some examples of Western democracies with psychotic despots in charge please 🙄.

Sorry that was to @YourTruthorMine

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow but Trump was voted out. Because that’s how democracies work. 🤪

Everyone is saying their kids were born from surrogates, who is saying this?

Who is everyone?

Is it Harry and Meghan, the children's parents?

Is it the Royal Family?

Or some bat shit crazy YouTubers who have also spread conspiracy theories about Beyonce, Meghan, Michelle Obama and Serena not being 'really' pregnant? And what do these women have in common?

You realise that if you truly believe this nonsense you also believe that the late Queen and the entire royal family is complicit in this conspiracy?

I suggest you stay away from You Tube, Reddit and maybe read a book.

Who is saying this?

The bottom feeders of the internet. MNHQ used to delete all re-posting on here of the worst dregs - I still report what I think goes too far, and it's totally up to them what they allow to stand or decide to delete

Deletion is one option but I prefer to challenge this lunacy. It's risible.

You're missing the point of the question. It's not about wanting all royals to go, that's fine, it about wanting all royals gone, but supporting Harry and Meghan.

I fully understand the point.

Just underlining that I think there are no grey areas when all of 'em suck.

The "letters patents" sound like something from a Gilbert and Sullivan operetta "I Am the Very Model of a Modern Major-General". William should launch a palace coup, depose his father and reverse the Patent using some ancient law called " Patent Peculiar in extremis" that allows a legitimate Crown Prince to reverse the King's authority when the peace of the realm is threatened or some such bollocks.

In days of yore, a duel between the brothers would settle the case.😀

Cry ‘God for Harry, England, and Saint George!’

I have seen the horrors of which you mention, and they are indeed madder than Mad Jack McMad, the winner of last year’s Mr Madman competition. Can I commend the fastest selling non-fiction book of all time, "Spare" ? Probably available at all good charity shops, so if you are so inclined can deny the usurper further monies.

Do you have a source for this claim please.

@MrsMaxDeWinter

No. She understood that they would automatically become prince and Princess, but there were conversations at the time to ensure that they would not

You have just literally made that up. That's not what Meghan said on Oprah by any stretch of the imagination.

She never said she understood they would have titles. She says the opposite. The 'conversations' never happened. (According to Harry). And if these imaginary conversations took place to ensure they wouldn't get titles then they would have been blocked 4 years ago. The whole conversation she has with Oprah regarding titles and security are a lie from start to finish.

I tend to agree with you in this one. Not one of Charles best decisions, but so difficult as he loves his son. It could have had a backlash however and made him look mean and vindictive. Damned if he did and damned if he didn't. I would have done it though!

I don’t see that as republicanism. It’s buying in to the whole tedious drama. I don’t care about their personal lives and squabbles. I care about the fact that it is an outmoded, hierarchical institution that’s not fit for purpose in the 21st century. No serious debate about the place of the monarchy would be based on gossip and ad hominem nonsense.

@MrsMaxDeWinter Stop splitting hairs, you sound silly. Of course their names aren't prince and princess. They are titles, but they are 'named' on the christening certificate as princess lillibet Diana.

But they won't be protected and it gives them no legal status. They're American citizens. American citizens can't have titles. Archie I'm sure has dual citizenship, but he doesn't get security, because his parents chose to walk away from royal life and all its benefits.

This. We also release them from this multi-generational, dysfunctional aristocratic trap. Harry, bless him, sees his role to lead them there, whereas that role ultimately should lie with "the people".

Not obvious, even to people who watched the interview. She lied completely. She actually believed Americans were so ignorant she wouldn't be fact checked. Americans in my experience are people who call bullshit quicker than anyone.

I thought Harry hated the institution, wanted to be 'normal' and not a prince, etc.. etc .. I thought Megan said the royals are racist, she hates the traditions, the institution made her suicidal. I thought they both hated the media attention that comes with royalty, the added security measures etc ..

So like any responsible parent, they have decided to give their kids royal titles so they can be part of all this ...

Harry and Meghan are hypocritical, lying, money grabbing, twerps. I cannot stand them. They have slagged off my country and fucked off. Well good riddance! Now I wish they would renounce their titles, stay in the USA, and have nothing more to do with MY country (UK), it's royal family and it's long held traditions (which they have completely dissed, along with their own families), and instead start embracing their own country (USA), where their children were born and are citizens.

H & M - please fuck off, stay away and do the right thing in giving up your titles and those of your children. You are American now. The UK want nothing more to do with you, and we no longer want you associated with our royal family.

(And to think I was once a Harry fan! Sad times)

@Ooompaloopa To the best of my knowledge the allegations of racism against the RF and the 'concerns and conversations' over skin colour/security and titles, we on the OW interview. Nothing in the book and I can't remember anything on Netflix.

With Harry's later explanation, one conversation before the marriage on skin colour of children (unacceptable but not necessarily intended badly), and his assertions there is no racism in the RF (and idiot though he is, he should know), what Meghan said in that conversation was a lie from start to finish

@nilsoften I think Harry is often so high he actually believes he is leading his family to freedom. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Borris Johnson, Tony Blair, Liz Truss ....