How do republicans who support H&M feel about 'princess' lillibet

[purpledalmation]

I mean how do you reconcile the, to me, gross hypocrisy of saying you want to leave the royal family to pursue your own projects and for privacy and would give up their royal titles.

Their own projects so far consist of trashing the royal family and making money from it, while clinging to their royal titles.

Privacy consists of reality tv shows, public therapy sessions and a book tour.

They touted their children's privacy and security as a reason for leaving yet they name their children prince and princess. A sure fire way to draw attention to them and reduce their security.

I honestly want to know how people who want the monarchy gone yet praise harry and Meghan for their bravery in standing up to the RF, square this circle?

@holdingtight2 But the children did not name themselves prince and princess? The people who named them are a couple who have spent over 2 years systematically trying to destroy the royal family, lying about them, accusing them of racism, disclosing sensitive information and private conversations and insulting them generally.

Therefore the children's entitlement to titles is not the issue here. It's the hypocrisy of their parents in saddling American citizens with outmoded titles in a republican country.

I think the palace have made the best of a bad job here.

To chance the 'rules' and denied Archie and lilli titles would have looked vindictive.
To publicly 'award' the titles would have made Charles look weak.
So by leaving it up to Harry and Meghan themselves, they have exposed them as even bigger (is that possible?) hypocrites than they already look.
Ultimately, two American children in a staunchly republican country trying to make money (or their parents will) and gain kudos by using the titles are going to look silly beyond belief.

Could say the same about Williams kids

Very much agree, purpledalmation - not for the first time, when someone's digging themselves a hole, it can be best to just let them go right on digging

I am not a supporter.
But Harry has criticised the media and his father. He still wants the Monarchy to continue. I do not.

@purpledalmation This makes Charles looks very weak. For ages there have been stories that Charles is deciding whether to change letters patent so they are not Prince and Princess. The Royal website is not updated. And supporters keep saying they are automatically Prince and Princess anyway, what is the big deal.
Harry and Meghan just get fed up of this and announce the Princess and Prince. It forces Charles either to accept it and get the Royal website updated, or declare clearly the letters patent will be changed. None of the leaks and steady drips of will he wont he anymore. It forced his hand and shows how weak he really is.

So did Meghan lie to Oprah when she said their dcs wouldn’t be given titles Or did she misunderstand that their dcs automatically become Prince or Princess when Charles became king?

If she misunderstood then that is down to Harry for not explaining it properly. However I suspect it was the former rather than the latter.

*Oh dear ... Meghan "mentioned", Bob Morris "imagined", and then admits he doesn't know any details as to how it would be done. I realise the mental gymnastics can be extreme, but could this possibly be any thinner?

The only source of the idea that the Sussex DC would not get titles as per the 1917 LP is the Duchess, in an interview in which she was inaccurate about the security position and unclear (wrong in timing) of the skin tone claim. So it is difficult to be sure that the inference (that the Sussex DC would not be prince/princess) is correct. It could have been mentioned to be dismissed.

Because I do not think that slimming down was ever intended to lessen the role of the Sussexes. Indeed there was considerable commentary at the time of them stepping back to the effect that it really put a major hole in Charles' plans (getting rid of Andrew, foreshadowing imminent retirement of the Duke of Kent and Princess Alexandra, not to be replaced, allowing Anne to scale back over the next 5-8 years (she's 72))

No. She understood that they would automatically become prince and Princess, but there were conversations at the time to ensure that they would not.

Thank YOU!

This.

The Royal website is not updated

It was updated within 24 hours of the parents making their wishes known.

Just like the Wessexes, the royal titles for minors are decided by the parents (though when they cease to be minors they can decide for themselves). It would have been utterly wrong for the Palace to pre-empt the parents' decision, or to have set any deadline for when they had to decide.

I think that the speculation is based on inferences drawn from the Oprah interview, that now seem to be as shaky as the other comments (eg about security) and that the Occam's Razor is that there never was any intent to issue new LP that would affect the Sussex DC

@EdithWeston There have been many many threads about the titles for Harry and Meghan. This is the very first time I have seen your made up protocol rule.
Is this the new narrative from the Palace?

@MrsMaxDeWinter No problem. Charles was just being an arse and petty as usual.

And give it another year and the Royalists will all start claiming there was never a discussion about Charles changing the letters patent.

He'd be tripping over his monogrammed Sussex Royal doormat and taking himself and his chilly todger on a private jet to Windsor faster than you could say 'Waaaagh'.

And his 'republican' supporters would be busy on Skyscanner, cheering him on every step of the way.

You need to get it into your mind that Harry and Meghan did not NAME their children Prince and Princess. For one thing, they did not have that right.

They were Prince and Princess from the moment their grandfather became king. He did not bestow it on them any more than he bestowed the title of King himself.

Harry and Meghan simply force the hand of the Palace and got them to confirm what has been the case for the last 6 months.

I could never justify this to you. I fully support them. The error I see is in the "the firm" not fully supporting and protecting, ie basic security, for Harry and his family. His children deserve to be protected and can claim that status.

How will giving the kids titles help with the famous Worldwide Privacy tour? #Waaah 🤡

@GreekDogRescue honestly that is just pathetic.

Well, we have only one source for it, it's not terribly clear who "they" are, it's all muddled up with the utterly wrong stuff about security, and the narrator's reputation for verifiable truth has been significantly eroded ("um I heard a lot of it from Harry")

What we do know for sure is that they weren't changed, and that the titles changed as soon as the parents' preferences were made known

@MrsMaxDeWinter And yet Princess Anne and Prince Edward did not give their children titles. Don’t you think it hypocritical to take titles from an institution you have been trying to destroy? Don’t the children deserve privacy? #worldwideprivacytour #Waaah 🤡

MrsMaxDeWinter · Today 16:31
She then said there was talk of the convention being changed so that Archie did not get a title.

Meghan said this in the Opraha interview. No reason to believe there was any truth in it then.
And why the concern when they had just escaped the racist family. Well, racist then, but not racist later - all a fiction from the Press according to H

@EdithWeston You are already arguing this! I can't believe the brass neck to argue this already. At least give it a chance for some memories to fade.

Everyone is saying the kids were born from surrogates so when that comes out that will take them out of the line of succession.

@BadgerB It obviously was true.