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Fellsidefeather · 09/03/2023 21:59

purpledalmation · 09/03/2023 18:41

I think the palace have made the best of a bad job here.

To chance the 'rules' and denied Archie and lilli titles would have looked vindictive.
To publicly 'award' the titles would have made Charles look weak.
So by leaving it up to Harry and Meghan themselves, they have exposed them as even bigger (is that possible?) hypocrites than they already look.
Ultimately, two American children in a staunchly republican country trying to make money (or their parents will) and gain kudos by using the titles are going to look silly beyond belief.

I totally agree.

vera99 · 09/03/2023 22:00

Namechangethisevening · 09/03/2023 21:51

I thought Harry hated the institution, wanted to be 'normal' and not a prince, etc.. etc .. I thought Megan said the royals are racist, she hates the traditions, the institution made her suicidal. I thought they both hated the media attention that comes with royalty, the added security measures etc ..

So like any responsible parent, they have decided to give their kids royal titles so they can be part of all this ...

Harry and Meghan are hypocritical, lying, money grabbing, twerps. I cannot stand them. They have slagged off my country and fucked off. Well good riddance! Now I wish they would renounce their titles, stay in the USA, and have nothing more to do with MY country (UK), it's royal family and it's long held traditions (which they have completely dissed, along with their own families), and instead start embracing their own country (USA), where their children were born and are citizens.

H & M - please fuck off, stay away and do the right thing in giving up your titles and those of your children. You are American now. The UK want nothing more to do with you, and we no longer want you associated with our royal family.

(And to think I was once a Harry fan! Sad times)

With respect, you have invested too much emotional currency with strangers of whatever stripe in the upper classes who care not a jot for your wellbeing. Indeed, the theatre of the monarchy, the pomp and circumstance, the myth making, and "national stories" are there for a purpose. Compliance and control, manufactured consent. The freedoms we have and the relative comforts we enjoy were never given by these people, but taken, sometimes by violence and by mass movements of the ordinary people.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 09/03/2023 22:12

🤣🤣🤣Boris and Liz were in charge of a cohntry with a monarchy!!! Not a republic. Says it all really😂😂😂

Macron, Merkel, Biden, Obama, Clinton, we’re all relatively normal. It seems to be Britain that spawns the psychos. Thatcher was another one. The monarchist state has more pyscho leaders than anywhere else😂

KrasiTime · 09/03/2023 22:19

GreekDogRescue · 09/03/2023 19:39

Everyone is saying the kids were born from surrogates so when that comes out that will take them out of the line of succession.

Rubbish. And anyone who gives credence to such a scurrilous rumour should take a good hard look at themselves.

And I say that as not a great supporter of H&M.

vera99 · 09/03/2023 22:26

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 09/03/2023 22:12

🤣🤣🤣Boris and Liz were in charge of a cohntry with a monarchy!!! Not a republic. Says it all really😂😂😂

Macron, Merkel, Biden, Obama, Clinton, we’re all relatively normal. It seems to be Britain that spawns the psychos. Thatcher was another one. The monarchist state has more pyscho leaders than anywhere else😂

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How do republicans who support H&M feel about 'princess' lillibet

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/03/2023 22:28

She understood that they would automatically become prince and Princess, but there were conversations at the time to ensure that they would not

Errr - what conversations? And how would anyone know?

AFAIK the only source for this is Meghan herself, and on her known form I do hope we're not expected to regard this as reliable?

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 09/03/2023 23:29

OutOfChocolate · 09/03/2023 19:14

@purpledalmation This makes Charles looks very weak. For ages there have been stories that Charles is deciding whether to change letters patent so they are not Prince and Princess. The Royal website is not updated. And supporters keep saying they are automatically Prince and Princess anyway, what is the big deal.
Harry and Meghan just get fed up of this and announce the Princess and Prince. It forces Charles either to accept it and get the Royal website updated, or declare clearly the letters patent will be changed. None of the leaks and steady drips of will he wont he anymore. It forced his hand and shows how weak he really is.

I don’t think it makes him look weak at all.

Hes never at any point said he’d be changing the rules.
The opportunity to deny Harry’s future children titles was there when the LPs for William’s future children were created.

It would have been much, much easier then to change the potential future children born in an as-yet-Unknown marriage than after the fact. The fact it wasn’t done then clearly suggests it wasn’t on the agenda.

The spiel in the Oprah interview just made both Harry and Meghan sound like they didn’t understand how the titles worked.

Then after the Queen died it was clearly being left up to H&M to decide, and announce, if they were changing how the children were known.

The fact Charles never changed it at any point, or had the Queen change it, and the fact that now H&M have announced it the RF website has changed, just makes it look to me like H&M simply did not understand how the titles situation worked and why the Cambridge children LPs were issued.

threecupsofteaminimum · 09/03/2023 23:47

It's their birthright and it's none of my business. Or yours.

Why exactly do you care?

OutOfChocolate · 10/03/2023 00:00

Charles has been leaking to the press for ages hints that Harrys children's titles will be removed. It was all a way to try and control Harry. It has failed.

Frezia · 10/03/2023 01:42

Surely you can't be a republican and accept the idea of hereditary "birthright" titles? That goes against itself.

I have zero respect for the royal family for perpetuating this rubbish and refuse to call William, Kate, Charles and their lot Prince, Duchess or whatever. It's also why I can't call myself a Harry and Meghan supporter - I agree with most of what they're saying but in the end it's mostly just talk without following through. All of them are various degrees of delusional and oblivious to how out of touch they are.

Northernsouloldies · 10/03/2023 02:04

Cake.... And eat it spring to mind
They couldn't have a more tenuous link with the very institution that they deride at every opportunity. Its all about the dollars 💵.

Ooompaloopa · 10/03/2023 05:29

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 09/03/2023 23:29

I don’t think it makes him look weak at all.

Hes never at any point said he’d be changing the rules.
The opportunity to deny Harry’s future children titles was there when the LPs for William’s future children were created.

It would have been much, much easier then to change the potential future children born in an as-yet-Unknown marriage than after the fact. The fact it wasn’t done then clearly suggests it wasn’t on the agenda.

The spiel in the Oprah interview just made both Harry and Meghan sound like they didn’t understand how the titles worked.

Then after the Queen died it was clearly being left up to H&M to decide, and announce, if they were changing how the children were known.

The fact Charles never changed it at any point, or had the Queen change it, and the fact that now H&M have announced it the RF website has changed, just makes it look to me like H&M simply did not understand how the titles situation worked and why the Cambridge children LPs were issued.

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This seems a logical reflection of the facts across time.

We have no idea what went on behind closed doors - but it appears that maybe paranoia and a general stance of bitterness and reactivity to perceived slights left H&M wrongly assuming the situation during the OW interview.

They had the opportunity to rectify any misunderstanding during Netflix and Spare but chose not to.

Maybe they thought it would make them look foolish to both hold their hands up and say we misunderstood and then to declare that they were choosing to use the titles when the main narrative thrust of Netflix was anti institutional monarchy / colonialism / slavery / racist U.K. etc.

Inkanta · 10/03/2023 05:52

I think this Princess info has come out in the press like a sweetener, indicating Harry and Meghan will be coming to the coronation.

Housewife2010 · 10/03/2023 05:59

Sistanotcista · 09/03/2023 10:54

I'm not a royalist at all, but seen in context of the family, it makes sense to me. Harry and Meghan don't want to be a part of The Firm anymore - absolutely their choice, and I can understand why. Their kids might feel differently - let them have their birthright - when they're older they can decide whether they want to keep it, or not.

But it is the parents choice whether or not they use their titles. Edward & Sophie gave their children the lesser titles of Lady & Viscount and let them choose themselves if they wanted to use Prince/Princess once they were adults. This would have seemed a more sensible way for H&M to behave and would have given their children more freedom and privacy. H&M are not working royals and their children will never be, so why add the extra attention of using the titles?

ItsShiela · 10/03/2023 06:00

purpledalmation · 09/03/2023 10:15

I mean how do you reconcile the, to me, gross hypocrisy of saying you want to leave the royal family to pursue your own projects and for privacy and would give up their royal titles.

Their own projects so far consist of trashing the royal family and making money from it, while clinging to their royal titles.

Privacy consists of reality tv shows, public therapy sessions and a book tour.

They touted their children's privacy and security as a reason for leaving yet they name their children prince and princess. A sure fire way to draw attention to them and reduce their security.

I honestly want to know how people who want the monarchy gone yet praise harry and Meghan for their bravery in standing up to the RF, square this circle?

They never said they wanted privacy. How many times does this have to be corrected?

I see no hypocrisy at all, and you'd be stretching if that's what you see. They didn't want to leave the royal family, they offered to continue their work from Canada. Every attempt they made at reaching halfway was rebutted. As to Prince/Princess, the children's names are not Prince and Princess. It's simply a title. It makes them no more a target than before. I'd rather the Monarchy didn't exist, but until that day comes , they have the right to use those titles. It's very easy to square that. Very easy, and very straightforward.

Inkanta · 10/03/2023 06:17

They never said they wanted privacy. How many times does this have to be corrected

I know - why do people keep saying that.

Namechangethisevening · 10/03/2023 06:45

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 09/03/2023 22:12

🤣🤣🤣Boris and Liz were in charge of a cohntry with a monarchy!!! Not a republic. Says it all really😂😂😂

Macron, Merkel, Biden, Obama, Clinton, we’re all relatively normal. It seems to be Britain that spawns the psychos. Thatcher was another one. The monarchist state has more pyscho leaders than anywhere else😂

True :)

Sorry was a bit tipsy last night and didn't read your post properly!! Just saw 'no psycho leaders' and thought you'd forgotten about Truss, Borris, Blair and the like!! 😉👍🍷

Namechangethisevening · 10/03/2023 06:50

ItsShiela · 10/03/2023 06:00

They never said they wanted privacy. How many times does this have to be corrected?

I see no hypocrisy at all, and you'd be stretching if that's what you see. They didn't want to leave the royal family, they offered to continue their work from Canada. Every attempt they made at reaching halfway was rebutted. As to Prince/Princess, the children's names are not Prince and Princess. It's simply a title. It makes them no more a target than before. I'd rather the Monarchy didn't exist, but until that day comes , they have the right to use those titles. It's very easy to square that. Very easy, and very straightforward.

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But they have publically dissed the whole institution. The have called it racist (after their rant about colonialism and racism in the royal family on netflix, implying racism on Oprah etc.. the now seem to have changed their minds about the royal family being racist. They can't make up their mind). Megan said the press scrutiny and being part of the institution made her suicidal. Harry has stated numerous times how much he dislikes the institution.

So why don't they disappear, fuck off, and cut all ties? .. retaining the titles and giving them to his children is all for publicity and money. They r noone and nothing without the titles. They r narcissists and want the titles purely for show and to stay relevant.

You cant see any hypocrisy? It is present in pretty much every single thing they do and say. How can you not see it?

Roussette · 10/03/2023 06:55

Inkanta · 10/03/2023 06:17

They never said they wanted privacy. How many times does this have to be corrected

I know - why do people keep saying that.

How many times does it have to be said that they never asked for privacy. It is endless. Besides which, posters don't see to understand what privacy is.

If I burst into your home by kicking the door down. That's invading your privacy.

If you decide you want me to come round, invite me, open the door and welcome me. That isn't.

KrasiTime · 10/03/2023 06:57

A small point but Andrew has been called grabby & criticised for having his daughters being princesses, although at the time they were born it was expected. Now Harry has done similar for his two.

Personally I think they should have done as the Wessexes & called their dcs Lord & Lady.

BadgerB · 10/03/2023 07:01

OutOfChocolate · Today 00:00
Charles has been leaking to the press for ages hints that Harrys children's titles will be removed. It was all a way to try and control Harry. It has failed.

When has Charles "leaked" this to the Press? It's all from that initial interview which has proved to be more lies than truth.

It appears that no one can control Harry (or Meghan is not trying to) which is making him and his outbursts look worse and worse.

Maireas · 10/03/2023 07:42

Roussette · 10/03/2023 06:55

How many times does it have to be said that they never asked for privacy. It is endless. Besides which, posters don't see to understand what privacy is.

If I burst into your home by kicking the door down. That's invading your privacy.

If you decide you want me to come round, invite me, open the door and welcome me. That isn't.

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You're right. They certainly welcome people in.

Maireas · 10/03/2023 07:44

KrasiTime · 10/03/2023 06:57

A small point but Andrew has been called grabby & criticised for having his daughters being princesses, although at the time they were born it was expected. Now Harry has done similar for his two.

Personally I think they should have done as the Wessexes & called their dcs Lord & Lady.

That's true. Andrew was rightly criticised for referring to his daughters as "blood princesses" as opposed to incomers, implying more privilege and status.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 10/03/2023 07:45

Maireas · 10/03/2023 07:42

You're right. They certainly welcome people in.

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Yes they do, on their terms. Which is as it should be.

Maireas · 10/03/2023 07:49

MrsMaxDeWinter · 10/03/2023 07:45

Yes they do, on their terms. Which is as it should be.

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Absolutely. Many people want the celebrity lifestyle, with the interviews and the fashion shoots and the magazine articles. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. However, if you chase that you do have to open yourself up more to examination than those who choose to live privately. Ergo, you can't always expect totally positive feedback.