How do republicans who support H&M feel about 'princess' lillibet

[purpledalmation]

I mean how do you reconcile the, to me, gross hypocrisy of saying you want to leave the royal family to pursue your own projects and for privacy and would give up their royal titles.

Their own projects so far consist of trashing the royal family and making money from it, while clinging to their royal titles.

Privacy consists of reality tv shows, public therapy sessions and a book tour.

They touted their children's privacy and security as a reason for leaving yet they name their children prince and princess. A sure fire way to draw attention to them and reduce their security.

I honestly want to know how people who want the monarchy gone yet praise harry and Meghan for their bravery in standing up to the RF, square this circle?

I am very glad @IcedPurple that you are not an adviser to the royal Family!

Citing the example of European Royal Families to direct the future of a Royal Family that has "overseas dominions in the Caribbean etc", and which claims to head the Commonwealth of Nations, in which a majority population are of people of colour, and using the example of European royal families to remove titles from the only mixed race grandchildren ever born into the Royal Family heading that mainly black and brown Commonwealth ... overseas dominions moreover where the republic sentiment is being driven by the fact that many don't want a White King and Family as their head of state, sitting in a place to which they require visas to go.

I mean come on.

To go from 4 grandchildren of Elizabeth called Prince/Princess (and two who can chose the address if they wish to) to just the children of the Heir and his white wife and and REMOVE (not confer upon) the right from the two kids of the sole woman of colour in the family would, I can tell you, not have gone down well.

Especially as the said woman of colour had already opened up several conversations about race in the media generally, to the point where parliamentarians wrote a public letter of support.

But you know what, if the Royal Family really was that gung-ho about "slimming out" Meghan's kids, and failed to see what a tremendous opportunity a family with a mixed race prince and princess gave them in the Commonwealth, then they really cannot be helped as they are spectacularly lacking in both imagination and empathy.

@MrsMaxDeWinter No you're not setting the record straight. On the Oprah interview Meghan specifically said Archie would not get a title or security. She said nothing then about Harry's dad or anything else. She may have rowed back on those claims at a later date when she realised it was a blatant lie.

If she mentions any of the things you suggest it was not during that interview and by then no one was listening because she'd dropped her race bombshell. She said conversations happened when she was pregnant, but her own husband proved she lied by saying it was one conversation with Harry before they were married.

Let's be clear. A member of the royal family had a conversation with Harry before he married and wondered what the skin tone would look like, maybe a joke who knows? Apparently this isn't an unusual conversation with mixed race couples. I personally think it was crass and ignorant and shouldn't have taken place. However it did, and when Harry relayed this to Meghan, she conflated the whole thing into 'there were conversations and concerns about Archie's skin colour and he wouldn't get a title or security. All a total fabrication. Harry says it was one conversation before they were married. And yet here you are continuing to perpetuate meghans lies.

I can't see a tremendous opportunity, they have left , they are not working royals anymore, they live in America.

To go from 4 grandchildren of Elizabeth called Prince/Princess (and two who can chose the address if they wish to) to just the children of the Heir and his white wife and and REMOVE (not confer upon) the right from the two kids of the sole woman of colour in the family would, I can tell you, not have gone down well.

No I agree it wouldn't. But what makes you so convinced that that was going to happen?

You're missing the point of the question. It's not about wanting all royals to go, that's fine, it about wanting all royals gone, but supporting Harry and Meghan.

I’m a republican- doesn’t mean I have any interest in H and M. I think you misunderstand what a republican is.

OP - you’ve spelt Dalmatian wrong in your username. It’s with an a not an O.

Op does know, that's the point of the question, on all royal threads there's a handful of apparently republican who defend H&M to the hilt .

I know what a republican is. However there are an awful lot of 'republicans' posting on the royal family threads who are rabid fans of H&M. I suspect it's not so much supporting Meghan and Harry as a chance to swipe at the other members of the RF and the monarchy as a whole. I can't imagine anyone has a genuine support for H&M now.

Typos , autocarrot , you get the drift !

OP - you’ve spelt Dalmatian wrong in your username. It’s with an a not an O.

I'm afraid I have bad news for you, I don't think that sweet peas were only made for bees either.

Cheers. It was deliberate to accept the user name not really, I can't spell it 😂

Cross post @purpledalmation

Citing the example of European Royal Families to direct the future of a Royal Family that has "overseas dominions in the Caribbean etc", and which claims to head the Commonwealth of Nations, in which a majority population are of people of colour, and using the example of European royal families to remove titles from the only mixed race grandchildren ever born into the Royal Family heading that mainly black and brown Commonwealth ... overseas dominions moreover where the republic sentiment is being driven by the fact that many don't want a White King and Family as their head of state, sitting in a place to which they require visas to go.

If people don't want a 'white king' as head of state they're free to get rid of him tomorrow and have been for decades. Up to them. It's always been likely that the remaining overseas realms would seek to become republics once Charles became King at any rate.

To go from 4 grandchildren of Elizabeth called Prince/Princess (and two who can chose the address if they wish to) to just the children of the Heir and his white wife and and REMOVE (not confer upon) the right from the two kids of the sole woman of colour in the family would, I can tell you, not have gone down well.

I think it would have gone down quite well. Not everyone is looking to take offence. The Queen of Denmark managed to remove titles from her adult mixed race grandsons and it was a popular move.

A lot has changed over the last few decades. The fact that the Wessex children did not take royal titles suggests to me that the long term trend was towards only the children of the heir getting titles. For what it's worth, I don't think Charles had planned to issue LPs. My guess is that his plan had been for Harry and his wife, whoever she might be, to 'agree' not to use titles, as the Wessexes had done. Then he might later issue LP's limiting titles in the next generation. But that's just a guess.

Why on earth do Republicans give a shit about H&M? They’re just another off shoot of the whole fucking circus 🤷‍♀️.

Orf with ALL their heads I say 😜.

Why on earth do Republicans give a shit about H&M? They’re just another off shoot of the whole fucking circus

I don't know why but a lot of them seem to on here.

The thing is if there was a mass abdication of (or something happened to) Charles, William and his dcs tomorrow, Harry would be on a rocket over here to demand his rightful position. And many of the “republicans” on these threads would be cheering him on.

Some bizarre superfans thought we could have M&H as king and Queen anyway as “they are younger and more popular” (yes, it was said on here) but in the same breath say they are for the abolition of the monarchy.

And now that the Sussexes have called his bluff, he can't walk it back without looking dreadful.

I think this can quality be viewed the other way around. Charles decided to do nothing and said to the Sussexes that the rules aren’t changing, so tell me what you want.

Harry and Meghan must have been very well aware that they’d look like massive hypocrites if they said they wanted Royal titles for their children, despite everything they’ve said about the institution and the burden of a title. That dilemma has in fact got worse instead of better since QEII’s death, as they’ve gone on to say more and more disparaging things about them. Unfortunately for Sussexes, however, their public popularity has also gone badly downhill recently, and they obviously needed a good news story. Christening their nearly two year old and announcing she’ll now be Princess Lilibet it is, then!

(I find it really interesting that there has been nothing formal from the Palace here. The “announcement” came via People magazine from the Sussexes. At first, the palace press team had no answers to queries, so clearly were taken by surprise - did the Sussexes think there might be pushback if they told the palace their plans in advance? Then they said they’d update the website as the Sussexes had now made their wishes clear. No announcement of how delighted the King is, no press statement, nothing. The equivalent of a shoulder shrug…)

@4EyesandBigThighs would you say Charlotte would also say the same thing or is this just because she is H & M daughter.

Whatever anyone thinks of the Sussex couple Harry is the son of the monarch and therefore his children are Prince and Princess. I don't know why people are getting so worked up about it. God forbid if Harry patches things up with his father and brother I think World War III would break out on Mumsnet. At the end of the day they are a family although not normal by anyone's standards.

I'm assuming @4EyesandBigThighs , means that because they are growing up in America, where titles are meaningless and usually apply to Disney films, rather than her being not worthy .

From the BBC:
"I saw that Meghan mentioned that there were plans to narrow eligibility and I imagine that this is a reference to the Prince of Wales's stated view that the size of the royal family needs to be reduced," said Bob Morris from the Constitution Unit at UCL
"However, he has not so far as I know given details of how it should be accomplished."

Oh dear ... Meghan "mentioned", Bob Morris "imagined", and then admits he doesn't know any details as to how it would be done. I realise the mental gymnastics can be extreme, but could this possibly be any thinner?

What you quoted from Meghan in your earlier post was true (though you missed off important bits such as her confirmation of Oprah's "take" on her words), but what a shame to attempt to make it about race, when on this at least there's absolutely no evidence - and I do mean evidence, not something that somebody claims because it suits their narrative

Yes. As I understood it the palace were waiting for H&M to decide if they wanted to use the titles before updating the Buckingham Palace website. Apparently it has now been updated.

Despite the fact that Archie and Lili could have opted to use the titles on reaching 18 their parents have decided they should be using them now. I have no idea why they chose to do so. There are obviously various possible reasons. I do have to say that I feel it is a surprising choice bearing in mind what H&M have said previously.

@purpledalmation I agree 100% - they looked only at the short term and banked on gaining popularity to carry them forward. Harry has become a liability - at least after the coronation. She has the dollars, a house , two kids with tidles (😂) - look how she’s let him take the hits - he’s on borrowed time sadly. I say sadly because they deserve each other

It makes as much sense as poor drug addled Harry.

I know! The pseudo republicans on here would soon be waving their flags and doffing their caps.