Harry and Gabor

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My friend just sent me this. I adore Gabor mate and the work he does. His book 'in the realms of hungry ghosts' was life changing for me who had suffered serious addiction issues. But am I being too harsh to feel disappointed he's jumping on this band wagon of garbage. I'm sorry but Harry we're sick of listening to your trauma and no offence you've sung it to death, (and I don't even think it's that bad relative to how much he has gone on and on about it) and trauma aside you're a complete hypocrite with how you've treated you're family and the trauma you've put them through!!

Frau on a roll today?

You are being very offensive as usual. I have previously posted on this thread that my son has recently joined the army and it was a carefully considered decision. After already starting a career as a civilian. Harry is implying that the majorityof recruits to the army are from “broken homes” which is clearly bollocks and extremely insulting to those who have chosen it as a career. There are other ex military posters in here who are offended. Who do you think you are belittling how they feel? Oh yes, you are the one who also couldn’t see a problem with Harry taking the kids out of the matron at school. As for the ads you are taking about, I think you will find they are for the Navy, although to suggest that these ads are aimed at dysfunctional people is to entirely miss the point of them anyway.

Taking the piss*

I'm finding notanotheroneagain increasingly offensive across all of the RF threads.
You slam down anyone with an alternative narrative by slurring posters.
Your style of posting gets more desperate with each key stroke.
But in the interest of fairness, what did you think of Harry's latest interview?

He made it clear that only the UK Army recruits from broken homes! In his opinion.

These kind of posts are so strange to me.
You all come on here, being SO aggressive and harsh towards both H&M and anyone who defends them (personally attacking posters too. I don't attack posters unless they attack me first), then you complain when it's all reflected back to you.

If you are so sensitive, I suggest you tone down your diatribe against the couple and anyone who defends them, because you will always get that back. That is just how it works, with everything really.

I haven't posted for a few days because, to be honest I was fed up with the same arguments going round and round , but I was still reading, however seeing this new load of bollocks , I couldn't help myself!

I'm so fed up with the minimisation of Harry's own words to stop poster's talking.
The implication that we're reading it wrong or we're too stupid to understand the nuance, the ohh look a squirrel 🐿️ attempt to deflect,
I would have thought Harry would have learned after the backlash about the taliban comments.
No every time he opens his privileged mouth , he utters more shite and the same posters rally round to excuse it.

We were not allowed to criticise Meghan without accusations of racism, so I don't but why in the hell can't I criticise a white , British privileged prince without constant harassment?

And there you go again notanotheroneagain.
Using the same language.
I'm not 'one of those people'.
I barely post on these threads but read enough to know you'll defend them to the hilt, not even acknowledging that all people have faults, Harry and Meghan included.

I posted Harry’s ‘own words’ about military recruitment earlier - imo his ‘own words’ condemn him as a complete idiot. He doesn’t need the media or anyone else to extrapolate anything - he can talk a load of bollocks perfectly well all by himself!

He tells me ‘in his own words’ what a deluded, paranoid, ill-informed, thoughtless and selfish individual he is.

what next - Harry’s range of CBD gummies trialed at the invictus games

Sounds like you're the one being offensive, looking down on people from broken homes. They are not 'dysfunctional'. Harry is not implying anything, he says people from broken homes are also very much welcome. Everyone from any walk of life is welcome in the army. Don't twist this.

And the adverts are from the same Forces/DoD umbrella.

Surely alarm bells are going off at invictus

I'm so fed up with the minimisation of Harry's own words to stop poster's talking.
The implication that we're reading it wrong or we're too stupid to understand the nuance, the ohh look a squirrel 🐿️ attempt to deflect,

I would have thought Harry would have learned after the backlash about the taliban comments.
No every time he opens his privileged mouth , he utters more shite and the same posters rally round to excuse it.

Sorry, but why on earth should Harry specifically watch his every word? He is married to a person of colour, and historically, people of colour are held to different standards. Everyone understood what he was saying and meant before MM, now suddenly no one can comprehend ?

There is no need for backlash. His brother, father and others have made some gaffs that no one here has batted an eyelid on.

To me, he has been treated differently for the last 6yrs or so, and has every right to correct everything for another 6yrs. I would suggest he is treated the same everyone else . (mind you I feel like he should speak for another 6yrs, just like everyone else has done)

I'm sorry, but what on earth has Meghan got to do with this latest dose of verbal diarrhea?

This is all on him! , Meghan is entirely innocent on this occasion and you shoehorning her in , so you can use racism not only doesn't help your argument but actually completely invalidates it!

Ok. These are Harry’s own words:

"You know, I don't know how it is around the rest of the world but certainly in the UK we we tend to recruit from broken homes."

So what do you understand he means then?

I am quite aware that people from all walks of life are welcome in the armed forces, as it rightly should be. It was Harry who suggested that only one category of people was welcome. You are the one twisting peoples words.

We see you! , all the lurkers see what you're doing.
And it won't work when were discussing a white prince.

"You know, I don't know how it is around the rest of the world but certainly in the UK we we tend to recruit from broken homes."

His words raise so many questions. Firstly, what's a 'broken home'? Does he mean divorced parents? Widowed parents? Parents that are still together but the family is toxic? Is he implying that people from 'broken homes' are damaged in some way that makes them good army material? How does he know how many army recruits come from these backgrounds, are the figures published?

I think it's all bollocks and he's misremembered the bit in Skyfall about orphans making better MI6 recruits.

He could have said something far more constructive, that the Army is inclusive and can provide structure and a sense of belonging and 'family' to those who may have lacked this in childhood.

I am surprised the Armed forces have not commented on this - as it is damaging to them. I mean why would the Army seek to recruit from broken homes? The same reasons why child soldiers have been recruited in war in Africa? It makes it sound like the army is seeking to exploit people who have had difficult childhoods.

He also went to Sandhurst, I think if we checked out the average background of Sandhurst recruits it may be very different to signing up on careers day at 16 years of age.

@notanotheroneagain
I can see you’re a big fan of the couple, all fine and great as far as I’m concerned.

If I just look at it from a perspective of loving Harry and wanting what’s best for him, I conclude it isn’t “yes men”, who hang on his every word. The people agreeing him without question aren’t challenging him in any way. That isn’t healthy for any person. If no one points out or questions where someone is going wrong, they will fall into many traps. I include myself in this and can only become a better person by asking the right questions and listening to others, especially those, who don’t always share my viewpoint.

But this isn’t what his super fans are doing. For it seems to me that if he’d come out and said drugs are awful and messed him up, these fans would be fervently agreeing, whereas he is in fact saying the complete opposite… and super fans are still fervently agreeing.

His super fans and yes men are blindly endorsing Harry without question are not allowing him to grow and change, stunting him. I’m surprised that’s what they want. If anyone wants to be part of that group, that’s fine. However, many of us on here are predicting just how catastrophic continuing on this trajectory will be for him. But anyone has the right to hang off his every word and action, however damaging to him and his family. And yes, he has the right to use his platform to talk if he so chooses.

Personally, I’d rather show him compassion yet at the same time good boundaries. He’s sadly stuck in a cycle of pain. Hopefully he will do the necessary work to find a way out and find his authentic self.

😅 quite. He is a bit derailed, not capable of relative and measured opinions and will have difficulty representing any credible institution at this point and he does not think about how others may interpret that comment. It is such coffee table talk, this guy would be a liability from an institutional perspective anywhere. He will have to live on his "personal" stories for a long time

Yes I imagine a lot of the people associated with Invictus will not want him representing them now.

For someone who moans about the ‘Briddish Press’ constantly, he don’t half make their job easy for them…

@PicturesOfDogs That made me laugh - it does seem like every time he opens his mouth now it is an open goal

So just my opinions

If I were Queen of the world ( which I am not ) I worry about him endorsing cannabis & hallucinogenics ( self medicated ) for MH issues so very publicly

I think his comments about the Taliban were ill advised and I think some senior Military people and peers and a former soldier who now deals with soldiers' MH issues agree with that

If I ruled the world I would take H off any MH company and also ( sadly ) the Invictus Games because whilst I think the latter was a good thing he did - it looks like he has upped the security anti - not just for his family - but for others.

There is a saying is there not M=1. Harry speaks from personal experience - & seems to have no research. Also , increasingly , seems to speak from a position of privilege as if his opinion matters ( to earn money )

If I were any of his MH charities or Invictus I would be looking to replace him

A shame but the more he says the less I think he has anything to say .

His opinions in drugs are not original. they are clichéd opinions where he is living handed down to him by the usual loudmouth layabouts. The difference is probably that he is able to given them a royal rubberstamp of approval and broadcast them to Britain and elsewhere in his plummy accent using an expensive platform.

Is there any chance that his constant talking about his past, present and possibly future use of multiple drugs, hard & soft, might affect his permission to stay in the U.S?
Or will his Royal status mean it will get overlooked?

If he was forced back to the U.K. what do you think Meghan would do?